Brian H Posted June 7, 2018 Posted June 7, 2018 I just received a PLM from the Smarthome sale. I think they shipped a new but older stock unit. Revision 2.4 Date Code 3817. That is like eight or nine months old. Also the sales page says the Link Database was increased to ~ 2000 links. Mine has the newer serial daughter board but still the 24FC64 memory chip found in the ~1000 links models. Anyone have a recent one. That can post their hardware revision and date code.
Bumbershoot Posted June 7, 2018 Posted June 7, 2018 Same thing here, just received it the other day - got it on the Memorial Day sale. Revision 2.4 Date Code 3817.
paulbates Posted June 7, 2018 Posted June 7, 2018 Same for me with Revision 2.4 Date Code 3817. I'm considering put it online proactively and not waiting for a failure. @Brian H Can you tell if these have better caps then previous HW revs? I'm never getting to 2000 links so not as concerned about missing out there, I'm more interested in the materials where its possible to tell. Paul
Brian H Posted June 7, 2018 Author Posted June 7, 2018 2413S PLM Hardware 2.4, Date Code:3817, Firmware 9E Capacitors are the same as in the V2.3. C3 6.8Uf/250V Don't recognize the brand logo. C11 100uF/25V Fujucon C8 10uF/16V Fujicon C7 and C13. Now 100uF/50V Fujicon capacitor. The V2.1 has a 100uF/35V Small enough to fit the PC Board without bending over. Mounted parallel to the PCB and fastened with component glue. Too large to fit in PCB Pads location vertically. Could not read the Fujicon series markings. So I can't say if it has better qualities. Most of the changes are on the new Serial Daughter Board. The RS232 interface chip is a TI brand MAX232EI. Also in the V2.3 From Specializations sheet: • ESD Protection for RS-232 Bus Pins – ±15-kV Human-Body Model (HBM) – ±8-kV IEC61000-4-2, Contact Discharge – ±15-kV IEC61000-4-2, Air-Gap Discharge There are two added resistors and two added three pin diodes in the RS232 signals to the outside world.
ELA Posted June 8, 2018 Posted June 8, 2018 Hi Brian, Followed your lead and got a 2413S as a backup PLM on the 30% sale. It also is R2.4 3817. The daughtercard has a 24FC64I EEProm - which would be 1000 links. They unloaded on us :(
Brian H Posted June 8, 2018 Author Posted June 8, 2018 Yes I would expect a 24FC128 if it was a 2000 link. The older 2000 link 2412S had a slower speed 24LC128 in it.
ELA Posted June 9, 2018 Posted June 9, 2018 My 5010K Ezbridge PLM has a 24FC256 that said it supported 2K link records + space for downloaded programs. Laying those caps on their side like they have in these newer 2413S is pretty sloppy. I guess if it lasts longer I will not complain too hard.
Brian H Posted June 9, 2018 Author Posted June 9, 2018 Sounds possible. I suspect they maybe using the extra memory for things. I actually got a few very early 2412S units with the 24LC256 memory, RTC IC with backup battery. 2414S Daughter Board from the 2414S PLC that you could download SALadIDE programs you compiled with the compiler. Most of the memory was wasted in a 2412S with the 417 links size. As was the RTC.
paulbates Posted June 9, 2018 Posted June 9, 2018 Brian do you know if 2412 based units support i2cs? The last rev 2412 was right around the time that i2cs was spec'd.
Brian H Posted June 10, 2018 Author Posted June 10, 2018 I don't know for sure. I2CS was a check sum added to an extended Insteon message. I suspect it would. As it handled extended messages.
Brian H Posted June 10, 2018 Author Posted June 10, 2018 Did a short test with a 2412S. Hardware 3.1. Firmware 85 A test ISY994i Firmware 4.6.2 Added a 2635.222 On/Off module. Did a few Options changes with the Event Viewer in Level 3 It seemed to use I2CS messages with no problems.
paulbates Posted June 10, 2018 Posted June 10, 2018 Thanks..that's a reason to consider the smartenit over the 2413
ELA Posted June 12, 2018 Posted June 12, 2018 The last 2412 that I worked with back in 2012 was about the time I got my first i2CS module. While that 2412 was i2 it was not i2cs. If you send a "get engine" command to the module under question you can read the engine and see if it is i2CS. The last 2412 that I had also had only 1/2 the PLM signal strength of my 2413 at the time. Not saying that pertains to all 2412s but it did to that one. I2CS was a pain to deal with ( at a development level) when it was introduced. In addition to the added i2 checksum it also began naking commands if units were not previously linked. Up until then you could still command devices that you were not linked to. Not after i2CS.
Brian H Posted June 12, 2018 Author Posted June 12, 2018 I don't think the later firmware 2412S PLM is I2CS sensitive. An Extended Insteon message is an Extended Insteon Message. Only the data contents are changed to enable I2CS. Now the early firmware maybe a different story. I still have a V2.4 firmware 2412S .That may self destruct on a Factory Reset. 50% change it will start smoking and die. I will give it a try. I should have used the Event Viewer Level 3 when I added the module to the test ISY994i. Smartenit has dumped the 2413 base board in their modules and went back to a 2412 style power line only board. I believe made for them by Smartlabs. The EZIComm sales page now indicates. Equivalent to a 2412S or 2412U. Their other Insteon model modules also now indicate power line, not Dual Band like they use to. Before the closed their Forums to an archive status. There where numerous complaints about modules failing in a few years. Sounds familiar. ?
Brian H Posted June 12, 2018 Author Posted June 12, 2018 My first I2CS Developers Notes 01/13/2012. Last before closing 02/01/2012 2412S V3.1, Firmware 85, Large Size Link Database, ID:12.9D.C0, Date Code:0930 2635-222 On/Off Module. Firmware 48. ID:37.38.1C, Date Code:5014 Tue 06/12/2018 06:57:58 AM : [37 38 1C ] Added to list of devices to link to ISY Tue 06/12/2018 06:57:58 AM : [INST-TX-I1 ] 02 62 37 38 1C 0F 0D 00 Tue 06/12/2018 06:57:58 AM : [INST-ACK ] 02 62 37.38.1C 0F 0D 00 06 (00) Tue 06/12/2018 06:57:58 AM : [INST-SRX ] 02 50 37.38.1C 12.9D.C0 AB 0D FF (FF) Tue 06/12/2018 06:57:58 AM : [Std-Direct Nack] 37.38.1C-->ISY/PLM Group=0, Max Hops=3, Hops Left=2 Tue 06/12/2018 06:57:58 AM : [INST-TX-I2CS] 02 62 37 38 1C 1F 09 01 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 F6 Tue 06/12/2018 06:57:58 AM : [INST-ACK ] 02 62 37.38.1C 1F 09 01 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 F6 06 LNK-ON (01) Tue 06/12/2018 06:57:59 AM : [INST-SRX ] 02 50 37.38.1C 12.9D.C0 2B 09 01 LNK-ON (01) Tue 06/12/2018 06:57:59 AM : [Std-Direct Ack] 37.38.1C-->ISY/PLM Group=0, Max Hops=3, Hops Left=2 Tue 06/12/2018 06:57:59 AM : [LNK-BGN ] 02 64 01 00 06 Tue 06/12/2018 06:58:00 AM : [LNK-STAT ] 02 53 M(01) gid=00 37.38.1C 0237 48 Tue 06/12/2018 06:58:00 AM : [INST-TX-I1 ] 02 62 37 38 1C 0F 0D 00 Tue 06/12/2018 06:58:00 AM : [LNK-END ] 02 65 06 Tue 06/12/2018 06:58:00 AM : [Std MH ] Unexpected Ack imCmd=65 cmd1= 0x1C Tue 06/12/2018 06:58:00 AM : [INST-ACK ] 02 62 37.38.1C 0F 0D 00 06 (00) Tue 06/12/2018 06:58:00 AM : [INST-SRX ] 02 50 37.38.1C 12.9D.C0 2B 0D 02 (02) Tue 06/12/2018 06:58:00 AM : [Std-Direct Ack] 37.38.1C-->ISY/PLM Group=0, Max Hops=3, Hops Left=2 Tue 06/12/2018 06:58:05 AM : [INST-TX-I1 ] 02 62 37 38 1C 0F 0D 00 Tue 06/12/2018 06:58:05 AM : [INST-ACK ] 02 62 37.38.1C 0F 0D 00 06 (00) Tue 06/12/2018 06:58:05 AM : [INST-SRX ] 02 50 37.38.1C 12.9D.C0 2B 0D 02 (02) Tue 06/12/2018 06:58:05 AM : [Std-Direct Ack] 37.38.1C-->ISY/PLM Group=0, Max Hops=3, Hops Left=2 Tue 06/12/2018 06:58:05 AM : [INST-TX-I1 ] 02 62 37 38 1C 0F 10 00 Tue 06/12/2018 06:58:05 AM : [INST-ACK ] 02 62 37.38.1C 0F 10 00 06 ID-REQ (00) Tue 06/12/2018 06:58:05 AM : [INST-SRX ] 02 50 37.38.1C 12.9D.C0 2B 10 00 ID-REQ (00) Tue 06/12/2018 06:58:05 AM : [Std-Direct Ack] 37.38.1C-->ISY/PLM Group=0, Max Hops=3, Hops Left=2 Tue 06/12/2018 06:58:06 AM : [INST-SRX ] 02 50 37.38.1C 02.37.48 8B 01 48 (48) Tue 06/12/2018 06:58:06 AM : [Std-Broadcast] 37.38.1C-->02.37.48, Max Hops=3, Hops Left=2 Tue 06/12/2018 06:58:06 AM : [37 38 1C 0 ] Calibrating engine version Tue 06/12/2018 06:58:06 AM : [INST-TX-I2CS] 02 62 37 38 1C 1F 2F 00 00 00 00 00 01 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 D0 Tue 06/12/2018 06:58:06 AM : [INST-ACK ] 02 62 37.38.1C 1F 2F 00 00 00 00 00 01 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 D0 06 (00) Tue 06/12/2018 06:58:06 AM : [INST-SRX ] 02 50 37.38.1C 12.9D.C0 2B 2F 00 (00) Tue 06/12/2018 06:58:06 AM : [Std-Direct Ack] 37.38.1C-->ISY/PLM Group=0, Max Hops=3, Hops Left=2 Tue 06/12/2018 06:58:07 AM : [INST-ERX ] 02 51 37 38 1C 12 9D C0 11 2F 00 00 01 0F FF 00 AA 00 12 9D C0 FF 1C 01 8D Tue 06/12/2018 06:58:07 AM : [Ext-Direct ] 37.38.1C-->ISY/PLM Group=0, Max Hops=1, Hops Left=0 Tue 06/12/2018 06:58:07 AM : [37 38 1C 0 ] Using Database Link Table offset 0x0FF8 (reported 0x0FF8) Tue 06/12/2018 06:58:07 AM : [37 38 1C 1 ] Start : Adding device to ISY Tue 06/12/2018 06:58:07 AM : [37 38 1C 1 ] Finish : Adding device to ISY was Successful Since you have more experience with PLM modules. Developing the ELAMONITOR. You may have facts I am not aware of.
Brian H Posted October 20, 2018 Author Posted October 20, 2018 Over on the Insteon Forums. Insteon John {administrator} reported they recently made some improvements to the 2413S and 2413U. The latest revision is now 2.5. Post #6 https://forum.insteon.com/forum/main-category/insteon-products/computer-interfaces/powerlinc-modem-usb/106551-powerlinc-2413u-version-numbers
Brian H Posted November 17, 2018 Author Posted November 17, 2018 On the Insteon Forums. The latest reply to the link above. Indicates the 2000 Link Database may have been an error. Both the 2413U and 2413S sales pages are now saying 1000 Link Database size again.
stillwater Posted January 22, 2019 Posted January 22, 2019 I purchased one from Smarthome in December 2018 and it's a v 2.4 with a date code of 0318
Harold Posted February 13, 2019 Posted February 13, 2019 I really don't know how to interpret the assorted model numbers. But it appears that stillwater's device was made on March 2018. Not terribly recent. Has Smarthome ever produced a version of the line interface that actually lasts longer than a year. I am on my 4th, and it appears to have crapped out. I tried updating a couple of the broken one and screwed up both attempts. Old hands are a pain. Is there anything that actually works? I looked at reviews on the web site. They have responded saying "we are fixing it". After how many years and the specific problems clearly identified by skilled users. That adds a bit to my post. What is the part number for one of these interfaces that actually work like electronics should work? Next. Is there any program that exchanges the broken ones for a functional replacement that survives for a reasonable amount of time? I have several. It would be reasonable that a defective product not fit for purpose would be recalled.
Brian H Posted February 13, 2019 Author Posted February 13, 2019 The V2.4 is supposed to have improvements in it. I know the Daughter Board was updated and the capacitors maybe better. For the ISY994I and older ISY99i. The only interface to the power lines and Insteon RF. Is the 2413S PLM or the long discontinued 2412S power line only PLM. Smartenit does have their own PLM but it is built on a base 2413 or 2412 main board with their own daughter board. Same power supply issues with the one on a 2413 base board. The UDI PLM unfortunately never got to production. Smartlabs backed out of supplying the needed firmware to UDI. Unlike the 2245-222 HUB that also seems to have a very poor time before failing. There is no exchange program or repair option like the HUB has. Over two years old warranty is gone and buy another one seems to be the only choice. Unless you are good at repairing electronics. Then there is a repair thread here where we have rebuilt ours with quality capacitors rated for switching power supplies. Long thread but gives some of the typical failures with the 2413S. https://forum.universal-devices.com/topic/13866-repair-of-2413s-plm-when-the-power-supply-fails/ Side note. The hardware revision 2 of the 2443 Access Points. Is also built on a base 2413 main board. I had a pair of them also fail with power supply issues. Rebuilt them just like some of the 2413S PLMs
Sub-Routine Posted February 14, 2019 Posted February 14, 2019 8 hours ago, Harold said: I really don't know how to interpret the assorted model numbers. But it appears that stillwater's device was made on March 2018. Not terribly recent. The datestamp is the week/year. Or sometimes the year/week. My 2412S is 0823. Still chugging along with an access point piggy-backed to it.
sorka Posted June 16, 2019 Posted June 16, 2019 On 10/20/2018 at 3:32 AM, Brian H said: Over on the Insteon Forums. Insteon John {administrator} reported they recently made some improvements to the 2413S and 2413U. The latest revision is now 2.5. Post #6 https://forum.insteon.com/forum/main-category/insteon-products/computer-interfaces/powerlinc-modem-usb/106551-powerlinc-2413u-version-numbers The one I got in January of this year is still a 2.4.
Brian H Posted June 16, 2019 Author Posted June 16, 2019 I have the impression. That announcement was very premature. Someone decided the new design didn't need implementing .They have a load of V2.4 PLMs. Due to their very poor reputation and not selling well.
jec6613 Posted July 8, 2019 Posted July 8, 2019 I still have my original PLM from 2015, still going strong, but I have a v2.4 sitting in a box that I picked up 50% off just in case.
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