ISY994 & Insteon - Random All On?

[RichTJ99]

Hi,

 

I am having an issue today where all my lights & devices are powering on randomly.  I have a log & it doesnt look like the ISY is even registering all the lights turning on.  The ISY admin console doesnt show the lights on all over the place.  

Is my PLM ready to be swapped out?  I have a spare on ready - if so is that just a "restore PLM"?  I forgot how to do that.  I have this one for a few years.

This happen a 12:44pm (log attached):

 

Scene:Scenes / Scene: Basement 3Way	On	255	Thu 2019/09/26 12:28:37 PM	Program	Log
Main House / Basement / Main: Basement Gym Front	Status	100%	Thu 2019/09/26 12:28:37 PM	System	Log
Main House / Basement / Main: Basement Bar Rear	Status	100%	Thu 2019/09/26 12:28:37 PM	System	Log
Main House / Basement / Main: Basement Gym Rear	Status	100%	Thu 2019/09/26 12:28:37 PM	System	Log
Main House / Basement / Main: Basem Interior - NO LO	Status	100%	Thu 2019/09/26 12:28:37 PM	System	Log
Main House / Basement / Main: Basement Bar Front	Status	100%	Thu 2019/09/26 12:28:37 PM	System	Log
Leak - Motion - Trigger - Spr / Garage: Motion 5-Sensor	Status	0%	Thu 2019/09/26 12:29:04 PM	System	Log
Leak - Motion - Trigger - Spr / Garage: Motion 5-Sensor	Status	100%	Thu 2019/09/26 12:29:14 PM	System	Log
Scene:Scenes / Scene: Garage 4-5-6	On	255	Thu 2019/09/26 12:29:14 PM	Program	Log
Leak - Motion - Trigger - Spr / Garage: Motion 5-Sensor	Status	0%	Thu 2019/09/26 12:30:00 PM	System	Log
Leak - Motion - Trigger - Spr / Garage: Motion 5-Sensor	Status	100%	Thu 2019/09/26 12:30:10 PM	System	Log
Scene:Scenes / Scene: Garage 4-5-6	On	255	Thu 2019/09/26 12:30:10 PM	Program	Log
Main House / Main: Au Pair Fan	Status	100%	Thu 2019/09/26 12:30:12 PM	System	Log
Leak - Motion - Trigger - Spr / Garage: Motion 5-Sensor	Status	0%	Thu 2019/09/26 12:30:56 PM	System	Log
Leak - Motion - Trigger - Spr / Garage: Motion 5-Sensor	Status	100%	Thu 2019/09/26 12:31:06 PM	System	Log
Scene:Scenes / Scene: Garage 4-5-6	On	255	Thu 2019/09/26 12:31:06 PM	Program	Log
Main House / Main: Living Room	Status	0%	Thu 2019/09/26 12:31:14 PM	System	Log
Main House / Main: Living Room 3way NO LOA	Status	0%	Thu 2019/09/26 12:31:14 PM	System	Log
Main House / 2nd floor / Main: Upstairs Hall Keypad	Status	0%	Thu 2019/09/26 12:31:19 PM	System	Log
Main House / Main: Entry 4way Kitchen	Status	0%	Thu 2019/09/26 12:31:19 PM	System	Log
Main House / Main: Entry 4way Den	Status	0%	Thu 2019/09/26 12:31:19 PM	System	Log
Main House / Main: Front Entry Keypad	Status	0%	Thu 2019/09/26 12:31:19 PM	System	Log
Main House / 1st Floor / Main: Entry 4way Stairs	Status	0%	Thu 2019/09/26 12:31:19 PM	System	Log
Leak - Motion - Trigger - Spr / Garage: Motion 5-Sensor	Status	0%	Thu 2019/09/26 12:31:51 PM	System	Log
Leak - Motion - Trigger - Spr / Garage: Motion 5-Sensor	Status	100%	Thu 2019/09/26 12:32:02 PM	System	Log
Scene:Scenes / Scene: Garage 4-5-6	On	255	Thu 2019/09/26 12:32:02 PM	Program	Log
Leak - Motion - Trigger - Spr / Garage: Motion 5-Sensor	Status	0%	Thu 2019/09/26 12:32:47 PM	System	Log
Leak - Motion - Trigger - Spr / Garage: Motion 5-Sensor	Status	100%	Thu 2019/09/26 12:32:58 PM	System	Log
Scene:Scenes / Scene: Garage 4-5-6	On	255	Thu 2019/09/26 12:32:58 PM	Program	Log
Leak - Motion - Trigger - Spr / Garage: Motion 5-Sensor	Status	0%	Thu 2019/09/26 12:33:43 PM	System	Log
Leak - Motion - Trigger - Spr / Garage: Motion 5-Sensor	Status	100%	Thu 2019/09/26 12:33:54 PM	System	Log
Scene:Scenes / Scene: Garage 4-5-6	On	255	Thu 2019/09/26 12:33:54 PM	Program	Log
Leak - Motion - Trigger - Spr / Garage: Motion 5-Sensor	Status	0%	Thu 2019/09/26 12:34:39 PM	System	Log
Leak - Motion - Trigger - Spr / Garage: Motion 5-Sensor	Status	100%	Thu 2019/09/26 12:34:49 PM	System	Log
Scene:Scenes / Scene: Garage 4-5-6	On	255	Thu 2019/09/26 12:34:49 PM	Program	Log
Leak - Motion - Trigger - Spr / Garage: Motion 5-Sensor	Status	0%	Thu 2019/09/26 12:35:35 PM	System	Log
Leak - Motion - Trigger - Spr / Garage: Motion 5-Sensor	Status	100%	Thu 2019/09/26 12:35:45 PM	System	Log
Scene:Scenes / Scene: Garage 4-5-6	On	255	Thu 2019/09/26 12:35:45 PM	Program	Log
Leak - Motion - Trigger - Spr / Garage: Motion 5-Sensor	Status	0%	Thu 2019/09/26 12:36:36 PM	System	Log
Leak - Motion - Trigger - Spr / Garage: Motion 5-Sensor	Status	100%	Thu 2019/09/26 12:36:47 PM	System	Log
Scene:Scenes / Scene: Garage 4-5-6	On	255	Thu 2019/09/26 12:36:47 PM	Program	Log
Leak - Motion - Trigger - Spr / Garage: Motion 5-Sensor	Status	0%	Thu 2019/09/26 12:37:37 PM	System	Log
Leak - Motion - Trigger - Spr / Garage: Motion 5-Sensor	Status	100%	Thu 2019/09/26 12:37:47 PM	System	Log
Scene:Scenes / Scene: Garage 4-5-6	On	255	Thu 2019/09/26 12:37:47 PM	Program	Log
Leak - Motion - Trigger - Spr / Garage: Motion 5-Sensor	Status	0%	Thu 2019/09/26 12:38:39 PM	System	Log
Leak - Motion - Trigger - Spr / Garage: Motion 5-Sensor	Status	100%	Thu 2019/09/26 12:38:49 PM	System	Log
Scene:Scenes / Scene: Garage 4-5-6	On	255	Thu 2019/09/26 12:38:49 PM	Program	Log
Leak - Motion - Trigger - Spr / Garage: Motion 5-Sensor	Status	0%	Thu 2019/09/26 12:39:41 PM	System	Log
Leak - Motion - Trigger - Spr / Garage: Motion 5-Sensor	Status	100%	Thu 2019/09/26 12:39:51 PM	System	Log
Scene:Scenes / Scene: Garage 4-5-6	On	255	Thu 2019/09/26 12:39:51 PM	Program	Log
Leak - Motion - Trigger - Spr / Garage: Motion 5-Sensor	Status	0%	Thu 2019/09/26 12:40:37 PM	System	Log
Leak - Motion - Trigger - Spr / Garage: Motion 5-Sensor	Status	100%	Thu 2019/09/26 12:40:48 PM	System	Log
Scene:Scenes / Scene: Garage 4-5-6	On	255	Thu 2019/09/26 12:40:48 PM	Program	Log
Leak - Motion - Trigger - Spr / Garage: Motion 5-Sensor	Status	0%	Thu 2019/09/26 12:41:33 PM	System	Log
Leak - Motion - Trigger - Spr / Garage: Motion 5-Sensor	Status	100%	Thu 2019/09/26 12:41:43 PM	System	Log
Scene:Scenes / Scene: Garage 4-5-6	On	255	Thu 2019/09/26 12:41:43 PM	Program	Log
Leak - Motion - Trigger - Spr / Garage: Motion 5-Sensor	Status	0%	Thu 2019/09/26 12:42:34 PM	System	Log
Leak - Motion - Trigger - Spr / Garage: Motion 5-Sensor	Status	100%	Thu 2019/09/26 12:42:44 PM	System	Log
Scene:Scenes / Scene: Garage 4-5-6	On	255	Thu 2019/09/26 12:42:44 PM	Program	Log

 

[mwester]

Search the forum for mentions of the "all on" problem.

[larryllix]

This is an Insteon protocol phenomenon and not to be thought related to your PLM/ISY.

It is believed to be a signal clash that may be repeated and cleaned up by Insteon units into a Scene On signal.. Since AC powered Insteon devices are supposed to play nicely in the protocol by watching for signal clash probabilities and avoiding them, it is believed to be from battery operated devices, that repeat their signal several times blindly.

Examine your program looking for a battery operated device (typically MSes) that triggers a program and your program immediately puts out an Insteon response to activate a device and insert a Wait2-3 seconds as the first line before the Insteon device control. KPLs are bad for this as people like to get those LEDs to repond immediately and KPLs contain multiple devices that are all in the same device, protocol wise.

For high speed operations from a MS to a lamp use a scene where ISY doesn't have to spit out a Lamp On right away. It is faster and ISY can just turn it off on it's own logic.

Most of this is addressed in the UDI wiki website, with how to's to help you.

 

[Nitemare]

I have had similar issues in the past . . .  I rebooted the ISY and the problem cleared up.  Not sure if this will help but it is worth looking at . . .

[Techman]

2 hours ago, Nitemare said:

I have had similar issues in the past . . .  I rebooted the ISY and the problem cleared up.  Not sure if this will help but it is worth looking at . . .

Nitemare and RichTJ99

Here's the solution to All on events:  https://wiki.universal-devices.com/index.php?title=INSTEON_Random_All_On_Events

The older version of the Motion Sensor will send continuous on commands when the battery is low, usually before it sends a low battery signal.

 

 

Edited September 26, 2019 by Techman