sloop Posted June 12, 2007 Share Posted June 12, 2007 i am curious about how many links people have (devices and scenes) - as i understand it, a scene counts as one link - a keypad in 6 button config counts as 5 links and a keypad in 8 button config is 8 links - all others count as 1 link slooplinc's insteon relay - 14 dimmer - 13 lamplinc - 14 icon lamplinc - 1 keypad (6 button) - 18 keypad (8 button) - 5 plm - 1 = no links rflinc - 4 = no links plc - 1 - in the craplinc box - no links device links - 172 scenes - um - i forgot - but lots anyone else pushing their luck? Link to comment
Michel Kohanim Posted June 15, 2007 Share Posted June 15, 2007 i am curious about how many links people have (devices and scenes) - as i understand it, a scene counts as one link - a keypad in 6 button config counts as 5 links and a keypad in 8 button config is 8 links - all others count as 1 link anyone else pushing their luck? Sloop, There's indeed an ISY Startup Trap Error bug which we've fixed in version 2.2. Thanks and with kind regards, Link to comment
Sub-Routine Posted June 17, 2007 Share Posted June 17, 2007 Word counted the word Rand Link to comment
Michel Kohanim Posted June 17, 2007 Share Posted June 17, 2007 Word counted the word Rand Rand, good to hear but STOP before 256! Thanks and regards, Link to comment
Sub-Routine Posted June 17, 2007 Share Posted June 17, 2007 I do have only 119 links in the PLM, right? I still have about 20 more links to add for my train lights and I plan on adding another ContrLinc or two, so another 20 or so links then. I might use some Insteon in the master bedroom but I don't see more than additional dozen devices being added to this home (about 30 installed now) so I doubt if I will double the number of links. What will I have to do if I exceed 255 links? A second ISY with another PLM? Or a second PLM with one ISY? Link to comment
Michel Kohanim Posted July 23, 2007 Share Posted July 23, 2007 Rand, Wow, I just realized that this submission of yours had remained unanswered. My sincere apologies (can't trust the auto notificiation). In case you exceed 255 nodes (device/scene), you will have to get a our new product which handles 512. I've yet to see anyone going beyond the 210 devices (for a 12000 sq feet house) and 45 scenes. With kind regards, Michel I do have only 119 links in the PLM, right? I still have about 20 more links to add for my train lights and I plan on adding another ContrLinc or two, so another 20 or so links then. I might use some Insteon in the master bedroom but I don't see more than additional dozen devices being added to this home (about 30 installed now) so I doubt if I will double the number of links. What will I have to do if I exceed 255 links? A second ISY with another PLM? Or a second PLM with one ISY? Link to comment
Sub-Routine Posted July 24, 2007 Share Posted July 24, 2007 Michel, I am more worried about the number of links. I now count 205 links. Every time I create a new scene I create more links, correct? If I create a new scene with six responders I have six new links. Am I going to run out of room in the PLM? Thank you, Rand Link to comment
Michel Kohanim Posted July 24, 2007 Share Posted July 24, 2007 Rand, Hello. You are correct! PLM is supposed to allow for 417 links. So, I don't think you will run out of PLM links any time soon. Does this answer your question? With kind regards, Michel Michel, I am more worried about the number of links. I now count 205 links. Every time I create a new scene I create more links, correct? If I create a new scene with six responders I have six new links. Am I going to run out of room in the PLM? Thank you, Rand Link to comment
Sub-Routine Posted July 24, 2007 Share Posted July 24, 2007 Michel, Yes, my fears are alleviated. I was confused concerning the # of links in the PLM. Some of the PLM descriptions noted 256 links, others specified 417. Thank you, Rand Link to comment
Michel Kohanim Posted July 25, 2007 Share Posted July 25, 2007 Rand, I am glad your fears are alleviated ... unless, of course, I've been given the wrong information by SmartLabs. I've sent an email to get a confirmation and I will let you know if I am told otherwise. Thanks so very much and with kind regards, Michel Michel, Yes, my fears are alleviated. I was confused concerning the # of links in the PLM. Some of the PLM descriptions noted 256 links, others specified 417. Thank you, Rand Link to comment
Mark Sanctuary Posted October 19, 2007 Share Posted October 19, 2007 Hey guys, I put together a little java calculator for this question for all to try. Michel double checked my math and uploaded it over here. ISY PLM Link Calculator It is a close approximation tool because you can't fully know the average nodes in a scene but this will get everyone a close enough number to understand their setup. Anyone with a Mac? Let me know if this calc does not work for some browsers because it was only tested on Microsoft Internet Exploder. Thanks, Mark Link to comment
GPG Posted October 19, 2007 Share Posted October 19, 2007 Mark, That's a great tool. Thanks for working on it. Where would the EZIO stuff fit in? For example, would including my EZRain as an Eight Button KPL give a reasonable approximation (there are eight relays)? Also, the EZIO8SA has 8 relays as well as 4 inputs and the EZIO2X4 has 2 inputs and 4 relays. These devices begin to add up very quickly. Thanks, George Link to comment
Mark Sanctuary Posted October 19, 2007 Share Posted October 19, 2007 Let me see if I can figure out the counts for the EZIO stuff and add them to the calculator. I am sure Michel would not mind an update. Link to comment
upstatemike Posted October 19, 2007 Share Posted October 19, 2007 The calculator shows me at 662 links and I am about to order some more stuff... should I be worried? Will the ISY-99.9 work for me? 0 8-button keypads 13 6-button keypads 10 ControLincs 5 RemoteLincs 102 Switches 48 Plugin Modules and SocketLincs Did not count PLCs on Homeseer, PowerHome, and X-10 translator, Did not count EZIO8 or EZX10RF (Hope to eliminate after ISY is installed) Will be adding more SockeLincs, ApplianceLincs, Relay switches, KeypadLinc Relays, and RemoteLincs (say 10 more devices total). Link to comment
Michel Kohanim Posted October 19, 2007 Share Posted October 19, 2007 Mark, Thank you so very much. GPG, I am going to work with Mark to get the numbers in there for EZRain. As far as EZIO, ISY has stopped working with any of the new firmware versions of EZIOxx especially those attached to/using PLM v.52. Unfortunately, it's quite impractical for us to support devices for which we are not notified of the changes in behavior, APIs, and ramifications between different revisions/versions. Therefore, our support for EZIOxx devices is currently as-is and unofficial. In this respect, then, I feel a little hesitant adding EZIOxx in the list. With kind regards, Michel Link to comment
Michel Kohanim Posted October 19, 2007 Share Posted October 19, 2007 upstatemike, ISY can support 512 device/scene combinations. Right now, you have a maximum of 400 distinct INSTEON buttons (nodes in our vernacular). That leaves you with 112 scenes. The current PLM (v. 52), though, will not support your number of links. You would either have to use their Beta (which supports 1600 links) or wait for its official release. X-10 Translator does not take any links if you use ISY for triggers/actions. How many PLCs do you have? I still have to get back to you with respect to HomeSeer integration. With kind regards, Michel The calculator shows me at 662 links and I am about to order some more stuff... should I be worried? Will the ISY-99.9 work for me? 0 8-button keypads 13 6-button keypads 10 ControLincs 5 RemoteLincs 102 Switches 48 Plugin Modules and SocketLincs Did not count PLCs on Homeseer, PowerHome, and X-10 translator, Did not count EZIO8 or EZX10RF (Hope to eliminate after ISY is installed) Will be adding more SockeLincs, ApplianceLincs, Relay switches, KeypadLinc Relays, and RemoteLincs (say 10 more devices total). Link to comment
Mark Sanctuary Posted October 19, 2007 Share Posted October 19, 2007 Ok I added a couple more lines to the calculator and Michel has uploaded it for your pleasure. Enjoy. ISY PLM Link Calculator Link to comment
GPG Posted October 19, 2007 Share Posted October 19, 2007 Mark and Michel, Thanks for considering adding the EZRain, but I did not mean to suggest that the tool should be modified, because it certainly covers most of the popular devices. I was just looking for a category to use for a reasonable estimate of the EZRain devices. I currently have one EZRain, EZIO2X4 and EZIO8SA. If I knew that each input used 1 link and each relay used 2 links, for example, I could make the manual calculation and add it to the tool's total count for a more precise calculation. Thanks, George. Link to comment
Michel Kohanim Posted October 19, 2007 Share Posted October 19, 2007 GPG, No problem at all. For EZIO: Each Input takes 2 links Each Output takes 1 link With kind regards, Michel Mark and Michel, Thanks for considering adding the EZRain, but I did not mean to suggest that the tool should be modified, because it certainly covers most of the popular devices. I was just looking for a category to use for a reasonable estimate of the EZRain devices. I currently have one EZRain, EZIO2X4 and EZIO8SA. If I knew that each input used 1 link and each relay used 2 links, for example, I could make the manual calculation and add it to the tool's total count for a more precise calculation. Thanks, George. Link to comment
yardman 49 Posted October 20, 2007 Share Posted October 20, 2007 The current PLM (v. 52), though, will not support your number of links. You would either have to use their Beta (which supports 1600 links) or wait for its official release. Hello Michel: When SH finally releases the 1600 link PLM, will we be able to easily swap it into our ISY network? I know that you guys are really on top of things, so I'm assuming that your code will be updated to allow for a seemless swap-out to the new "high link" version of the PLM. Best wishes Link to comment
upstatemike Posted October 20, 2007 Share Posted October 20, 2007 upstatemike, ISY can support 512 device/scene combinations. Right now, you have a maximum of 400 distinct INSTEON buttons (nodes in our vernacular). That leaves you with 112 scenes. The current PLM (v. 52), though, will not support your number of links. You would either have to use their Beta (which supports 1600 links) or wait for its official release. X-10 Translator does not take any links if you use ISY for triggers/actions. How many PLCs do you have? I still have to get back to you with respect to HomeSeer integration. With kind regards, Michel I Have the original SmartHome X-10 translator which is a PLC PowerHome uses a PLC Homeseer is currently a PLC but will be switched to a PLM EZX10RF is PLM based? EZIO8 has a PLM My Plan: Install a W800RF32A on my ELK panel and connect the ELK to an ISY 99.9 This will let me eliminate both of the EZ units and the X-10 translator. Convert Homeseer from the PLC to a PLM (Homeseer will not support the PLC in future releases. Not sure how ISY and Homeseer will work together yet. PowerHome only supports the PLC at this point but I will likely take it off line when I bring up the ISY. So the short answer is that I don't plan to keep any PLCs and just have to figure out how to work with Homeseer's PLM. Would be nice if Homeseer communicated to the ISY over the network like the Elk so I could have only 1 Insteon interface to manage. Link to comment
Mark Sanctuary Posted October 20, 2007 Share Posted October 20, 2007 PLC = Get rid of them while you still can. Woohaha Woohahaa Link to comment
Michel Kohanim Posted October 21, 2007 Share Posted October 21, 2007 upstatemike, Good plan. I still have to get back to you with respect to HomeSeer integration. I haven't forgotten and it's on the list of my things to do in the coming days. I shall keep you posted. With kind regards, Michel upstatemike, ISY can support 512 device/scene combinations. Right now, you have a maximum of 400 distinct INSTEON buttons (nodes in our vernacular). That leaves you with 112 scenes. The current PLM (v. 52), though, will not support your number of links. You would either have to use their Beta (which supports 1600 links) or wait for its official release. X-10 Translator does not take any links if you use ISY for triggers/actions. How many PLCs do you have? I still have to get back to you with respect to HomeSeer integration. With kind regards, Michel I Have the original SmartHome X-10 translator which is a PLC PowerHome uses a PLC Homeseer is currently a PLC but will be switched to a PLM EZX10RF is PLM based? EZIO8 has a PLM My Plan: Install a W800RF32A on my ELK panel and connect the ELK to an ISY 99.9 This will let me eliminate both of the EZ units and the X-10 translator. Convert Homeseer from the PLC to a PLM (Homeseer will not support the PLC in future releases. Not sure how ISY and Homeseer will work together yet. PowerHome only supports the PLC at this point but I will likely take it off line when I bring up the ISY. So the short answer is that I don't plan to keep any PLCs and just have to figure out how to work with Homeseer's PLM. Would be nice if Homeseer communicated to the ISY over the network like the Elk so I could have only 1 Insteon interface to manage. Link to comment
sloop Posted October 22, 2007 Author Share Posted October 22, 2007 i went back and recounted my links - using these rules remotelinc - 6 links controllinc - 5 links responding device - 1 link controlling device - 2 links keypad (6 button mode) - 5 links keypad (8 button mode - 8 links each member of a scene counts as 1 link (its status as controller or responder does not matter - the scene itself does not count as a scene - only the participating devices) devices keypads (6 button mode) - 18 - counts as 90 links keypads (8 button mode) - 5 - counts as 40 links relays - 14 - counts as 28 links (controlling device) dimmers - 13 - counts as 26 links (controlling device) lamplincs - 15 - counts as 15 links (responding device) 199 device links scenes 45 scenes with 223 participants in these scenes 199 + 223 = 422 links an interesting observation - my 5 keypads that operate in 8 button mode are pedestal mounted - so they have no load 422 - 5 = 417 417 is the plm link limit Link to comment
Michel Kohanim Posted October 22, 2007 Share Posted October 22, 2007 sloop, The PLM does not care about whether or not your KPL controls a load and, therefore, you still have 422 links! With kind regards, Michel i went back and recounted my links - using these rules remotelinc - 6 links controllinc - 5 links responding device - 1 link controlling device - 2 links keypad (6 button mode) - 5 links keypad (8 button mode - 8 links each member of a scene counts as 1 link (its status as controller or responder does not matter - the scene itself does not count as a scene - only the participating devices) devices keypads (6 button mode) - 18 - counts as 90 links keypads (8 button mode) - 5 - counts as 40 links relays - 14 - counts as 28 links (controlling device) dimmers - 13 - counts as 26 links (controlling device) lamplincs - 15 - counts as 15 links (responding device) 199 device links scenes 45 scenes with 223 participants in these scenes 199 + 223 = 422 links an interesting observation - my 5 keypads that operate in 8 button mode are pedestal mounted - so they have no load 422 - 5 = 417 417 is the plm link limit Link to comment
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