EddieRock Posted October 14, 2021 Posted October 14, 2021 (edited) I have an hidden door sensor that's been in place for years. Now, suddenly... whenever it's open, our outdoor garage lights turn on. When it's closed, they turn off. The only thing this is setup to do is to trigger a resource which sends me a push to pushover. I have around 100 programs (all organized of course by room) and I don't see any programs that are using it and the device shows that it's not a controller or responder. Ideas on how to track this down? I have no idea when it started. Sometime within the last few months. EddieRock Edited October 15, 2021 by EddieRock Editing title to [FIXED}
lilyoyo1 Posted October 14, 2021 Posted October 14, 2021 Sounds like it's linked together. If you're certain there is no scene created with the 2 devices in it, follow the unlink procedure in the hidden door sensor manual to get them unlinked. 1
EddieRock Posted October 14, 2021 Author Posted October 14, 2021 Will do. Maybe tomorrow. I'm going to sign out for the night. Not sure how they got linked. Neither one has been messed with for years and years. I'll follow up.
larryllix Posted October 14, 2021 Posted October 14, 2021 (edited) 8 hours ago, EddieRock said: Will do. Maybe tomorrow. I'm going to sign out for the night. Not sure how they got linked. Neither one has been messed with for years and years. I'll follow up. Insteon develops AI? Anything is possible with these little computers, being programmable by randomw signals and no packet checking security implemented. I had an OnOff plug-in module start sending out Insteon Scene On codes instead of the usual acknowledge when it received it's On commands. It would turn on a recognised pattern of lights in my Gathering room, occasionally. Drove me crazy, tearing apart programs on my ISY, for about a whole year. I finally found the ISY logs showing a bad ACK from it, after some On commands sent from ISY at the times it happened. A simple extended power cycling fixed the OnOff module, and it has functioned flawlessly since then, for about 2-3 years now. I had another Insteon device send out reverse status from new. A factory reset fixed that one. If you believe ISY hasn't created this link do a restore on the two devices (or do a download of the links and compare first). The restore should replace the bad links with proper ones. Edited October 14, 2021 by larryllix 1
MrBill Posted October 14, 2021 Posted October 14, 2021 I've had this happen. It's likely a ghost link I'd first try to factory reset the switch that's turning on when it shouldn't, then right click the device in the ISY and pick Restore Device. 1
Teken Posted October 14, 2021 Posted October 14, 2021 If I was a betting man and assuming the OP states is true about not seeing the two devices associated in the ISY Series Controller.The two could have been manually linked by mistake and hence why it doesn’t show up. This leads to affirming program locking all devices to guard against this potential problem. 1 1
larryllix Posted October 14, 2021 Posted October 14, 2021 (edited) 28 minutes ago, Teken said: If I was a betting man and assuming the OP states is true about not seeing the two devices associated in the ISY Series Controller. The two could have been manually linked by mistake and hence why it doesn’t show up. This leads to affirming program locking all devices to guard against this potential problem. Is that what that is for? Good idea. However, how do I reprogram a device to allow programing then, after it cannot be programmed? Edited October 14, 2021 by larryllix
lilyoyo1 Posted October 14, 2021 Posted October 14, 2021 4 minutes ago, larryllix said: Is that what that is for? Good idea. However, how do I reprogram a device to allow programing then, after it cannot be programmed? Program lock prevents manually linking 1
EddieRock Posted October 14, 2021 Author Posted October 14, 2021 program lock... Is that in the ISY? I've never seen that. I need more cookies
EddieRock Posted October 14, 2021 Author Posted October 14, 2021 Found it. I'll reset the device and I guess I'll do this on all of them. This has never happened before
Teken Posted October 14, 2021 Posted October 14, 2021 program lock... Is that in the ISY? I've never seen that. I need more cookiesYes, keep in mind this feature may not exist for all Insteon hardware. You’ll want to test to validate it operates as intended.
MrBill Posted October 14, 2021 Posted October 14, 2021 (edited) 4 hours ago, EddieRock said: This has never happened before I've only had it happen once. Depending how many devices you have, it may not be worth it... just fix it if you ever get a ghost link again. I also am not sure it would necessarily solve the problem, it prevents accidental linking.. maybe the ghost link didn't come from accidental linking, maybe it was a comm error. Edited October 14, 2021 by MrBill
gzahar Posted October 14, 2021 Posted October 14, 2021 26 minutes ago, MrBill said: Depending how many devices you have, it may not be worth it... And you would have to unlock/re-lock them all if you ever replace your PLM.
EddieRock Posted October 15, 2021 Author Posted October 15, 2021 Ok. Reset the dimmer and then restored the device. That fixed it! All you guys are great!!! I guess I'm really lucky the two devices were right next to each other. The switch was right next to the door and the light for the switch was on the outside of the wall. I was wondering why those lights were randomly off when they should be on. Then yesterday, I went through the door and the light went on and off. I was like... What the hell is going on? Opened and closed the door and the light responded. Checked the ISY and there was no link. So, if there was some random INSTEON linking between any other two devices, I think I would have gone crazy trying to figure out what was going on. Is there a way to see the links between Insteon devices outside of the ISY without having a INSTEON Hub? Thanks again guys!!
Teken Posted October 15, 2021 Posted October 15, 2021 Ok. Reset the dimmer and then restored the device. That fixed it! All you guys are great!!! I guess I'm really lucky the two devices were right next to each other. The switch was right next to the door and the light for the switch was on the outside of the wall. I was wondering why those lights were randomly off when they should be on. Then yesterday, I went through the door and the light went on and off. I was like... What the hell is going on? Opened and closed the door and the light responded. Checked the ISY and there was no link. So, if there was some random INSTEON linking between any other two devices, I think I would have gone crazy trying to figure out what was going on. Is there a way to see the links between Insteon devices outside of the ISY without having a INSTEON Hub? Thanks again guys!!Going off memory HL2 if available would be able to read all the links and hardware found in the Insteon network I believe.
larryllix Posted October 15, 2021 Posted October 15, 2021 The ISY examine links feature would do that but you would have to decode them all manually.
MrBill Posted October 15, 2021 Posted October 15, 2021 15 hours ago, gzahar said: And you would have to unlock/re-lock them all if you ever replace your PLM. I think it only prevents manual linking/programming... I think the PLM still can send changes. 1
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