landline control..X10?

[jkraus]

Many years ago I replaced all of my x10 devices with Insteon and never looked back!...Until today!  Of course I can access insteon device remotely, but only if the internet is working.  I just got back from my vacation home, and while up there my cable modem needed to be rebooted at home.  No way to do this without internet access at home.

Years ago I used to control X10 device at my cabin remotely via a telephone X10 Responder, worked pretty good.  Now I am thinking of resurrecting that old method (yes, I still have a landline), unless someone else can come up with a better solution of remotely rebooting a cable modem or router i.e. no internet access

Thx

[lilyoyo1]

X10 is a 70s/80s technology as such has stuff for control during that time. Insteon and the Isy is modern technology so their focus is on modern technology means of control. 

Present and future users most likely would be focused on web based means of control and other modern technologies. Most likely they would not be purchasing older systems such as X10. 

Because of that, I just don't see UDI spending time trying to add support for something that 60% of homes do not have anymore (a number that's dwindling) and most do not use when they do. Financially, that simply wouldn't make sense.

You could always plug your modem Into an X10 appliance module and their telephone module to reboot it

[hart2hart]

See if this article helps you for the future.

https://www.homecamcafe.com/remotely-reboot-a-modem-or-router/

The more sophisticated device has been replaced with following.

https://www.amazon.com/MSNSwitch-Internet-Enabled-Remote-Switch/dp/B081TKJJBS

[upstatemike]

9 minutes ago, hart2hart said:

See if this article help you for the future.

https://www.homecamcafe.com/remotely-reboot-a-modem-or-router/

The more sophisticated device has been replaced with following.

https://www.amazon.com/MSNSwitch-Internet-Enabled-Remote-Switch/dp/B081TKJJBS

The point is that there is no available Internet when the reboot is required so these will not work. It must be a technology that connects to the home without depending on the Internet at all.

[hart2hart]

The point is that there is no available Internet when the reboot is required so these will not work. It must be a technology that connects to the home without depending on the Internet at all.

You need to read link before commenting.

The device pings an outside IP address and when there is no response it power cycles the devices.

[upstatemike]

49 minutes ago, lilyoyo1 said:

X10 is a 70s/80s technology as such has stuff for control during that time. Insteon and the Isy is modern technology so their focus is on modern technology means of control. 

Present and future users most likely would be focused on web based means of control and other modern technologies. Most likely they would not be purchasing older systems such as X10. 

Because of that, I just don't see UDI spending time trying to add support for something that 60% of homes do not have anymore (a number that's dwindling) and most do not use when they do. Financially, that simply wouldn't make sense.

You could always plug your modem Into an X10 appliance module and their telephone module to reboot it

I'm not sure if I would dismiss land lines as 70s/80s technology as if they are  no longer needed at all. Large businesses still use wired phone systems with multiple lines and extension to extension calling/transfer. I don't see the technology disappearing entirely nor the products thst support it. They might just be more expensive commercial devices rther than consumer oriented items. Small to Medium sized businesses can get a small PBX and 3 or 4 land lines cheaper than dealing with a VOIP system where you need to worry about a network designed for traffic prioritization and QOS.

[upstatemike]

5 minutes ago, hart2hart said:

You need to read link before commenting.

The device pings an outside IP address and when there is no response it power cycles the devices.

OK Like the failover on a dual band router. You are right when it talked about setting the time delay I didn't understand what it was doing. I'll slow down and read all of the words next time.

[lilyoyo1]

1 minute ago, upstatemike said:

I'm not sure if I would dismiss land lines as 70s/80s technology as if they are  no longer needed at all. Large businesses still use wired phone systems with multiple lines and extension to extension calling/transfer. I don't see the technology disappearing entirely nor the products thst support it. They might just be more expensive commercial devices rther than consumer oriented items. Small to Medium sized businesses can get a small PBX and 3 or 4 land lines cheaper than dealing with a VOIP system where you need to worry about a network designed for traffic prioritization and QOS.

I couldve sworn we were talking about residential home automation not large corporate offices (who wouldnt be using the ISY and Insteon anyway). Ditto for small to medium sized businesses.

[upstatemike]

12 minutes ago, lilyoyo1 said:

I couldve sworn we were talking about residential home automation not large corporate offices (who wouldnt be using the ISY and Insteon anyway). Ditto for small to medium sized businesses.

OK I thought we were talking about solutions to boot things remotely without the Internet and whether anybody would still make devices that utilize land lines. My mistake.

[lilyoyo1]

3 minutes ago, upstatemike said:

OK I thought we were talking about solutions to boot things remotely without the Internet and whether anybody would still make devices that utilize land lines. My mistake.

We wouldve been had he not specifically mentioned, x10, insteon, and his ISY system (in a residential home). Context matters

[upstatemike]

3 minutes ago, lilyoyo1 said:

We wouldve been had he not specifically mentioned, x10, insteon, and his ISY system (in a residential home). Context matters

Clearly.

[jkraus]

This is residential and I do have an isy with many Insteon devices. Yes, the whole purpose is to remotely boot without internet

[MrBill]

57 minutes ago, jkraus said:

This is residential and I do have an isy with many Insteon devices. Yes, the whole purpose is to remotely boot without internet

There is a thread that I don't seem to have bookmarked, where someone uses a program to generate a heartbeat that is sent out via a Network Resource.  The Network Resource points back to a state variable in the same ISY through a portal API URL.  If the updates stop occurring, a wait in a different program times out, which means the connection to the portal has been interrupted.  The internet connection is then power cycled via Insteon.  Detection is missed you'd likely want to continue power cycles a few times per hour until the heartbeat is detected again.

If no one links the thread I'll try to find it later, or I could just recreate sample programs.