Newbe Has A Couple of Questions

[robfitz]

Just getting started with ISY99 setup and have run into a couple of issues that need some clarification. ISY has 2.7.7 loaded. Setup is 3 sets of lights controlled by three different 6 button KPLs. We'll call them KPL1, KPL2, KPL3. There are two goals for the setup. To have button 2 on KPL1 and button 2 on KPL3 do a full on all three loads and to have button 3 on KPL1 and button 2 on KPL3 do a 50% dim on all three loads.

 

Scene Full has KPL1 button 2 and KPL3 button 2 as controllers and load KPK1, KPL2 and KPL3 as responders. Set at 100%.

Scene Dim has KPL3 button 3 and KPL3 button 3 as controllers and load KPK1, KPL2 and KPL3 as responders. Set at 50%.

Buttons 2 and 3 are set up as Mutually Exclusive on KPL1 and KPL2.

 

Problem 1: The KPL from which you are controlling does not seem to dim the load of that device, only the other two loads. On/off works fine.

 

Problem 2: The mutually exclusive only seems to work on the KPL where you are pressing the buttons. The other KPL do not seem to track the feedback status on buttons 2 and 3 of the device you are controlling from. The control-from location works OK, but the oposing KPL feedback stays high until you go to the oposing device and manully cycle the buttons.

 

Have tried a couple of rebuilds of the scenes and resets-rebuilds of the mutually exclusive setups, but same results.

 

Help please.

 

And Many Thanks!

[oberkc]

Scene Dim has KPL3 button 3 and KPL3 button 3 as controllers

 

Is this accurate? It appears you repeated KPL3.

 

Buttons 2 and 3 are set up as Mutually Exclusive on KPL1 and KPL2

 

I may be missing something here, but you are using KPLs 1 and 3 as controllers for you dim and full scenes, yet the mutually exclusive condition are for KPS 1 and 2. Is this as you want. Could this be contributing to your problem?

[robfitz]

It was late;-)

 

It should have read... Scene Dim has KPL1 button 3 and KPL3 button 3 as controllers.

 

It should have read...Buttons 2 and 3 are set up as Mutually Exclusive on both KPL1 and KPL3

[Michel Kohanim]

Hi robfitz,

 

Controlling the load of the same KPL from one of its sub buttons is supported only on newer KPLs (versions 2D and above). What's your KPL firmware version?

 

With kind regards,

Michel

[robfitz]

Still figuring out how Insteon labels their devices, but there's a sticker with V1.4 on the front lower tab of the device.

 

On the reply you note 2D and above. I do not seem to find any of my KPL devices with alpha characters, so I'm not sure if I'm looking at the proper label for firmware or not. When I look at the device via the ISY Admin Panel it shows v.29 on the top line of the work area. Any suggestions on which is the appropriate firmware version source?

 

Many thanks!

[Michel Kohanim]

Hi robfitz,

 

Apologies for being vague. Yes, the number is the one reported by ISY's Admin Console. The numbers are in hex so, 29

 

Incidentally 29 on ISY = 1.4 label on the KPL.

 

With kind regards,

Michel

[robfitz]

So are you saying that I need to have a KPL firmware version that is greater than hex 2D or 45 decimal or .45 in the ISY admin console? Where can I get the secret decoder ring that conmverts the admin console firmware values (e.g. .29) to the INSTEON values (e.g.1.4)?

 

Is the firmware version the same reason for the inability of the 2 sets (KPL1 and KPL3) of buttons to sync properly with one another?

 

Many thanks

[Sub-Routine]

Hello robfitz,

 

The sticker on the devices is a hardware version, the version displayed in the ISY (hex) is the firmware.

 

MutEx buttons do not synchronize between devices, you would have to create scenes containing the buttons and control them with programs.

 

Rand

[jdale]

So are you saying that I need to have a KPL firmware version that is greater than hex 2D or 45 decimal or .45 in the ISY admin console? Where can I get the secret decoder ring that conmverts the admin console firmware values (e.g. .29) to the INSTEON values (e.g.1.4)?

 

Smarthome hasn't released the secret decoder ring but I've been making a reference list. http://www.madreporite.com/insteon/Inst ... e_list.htm You will notice it is not complete. It's all the information I've been able to cross-reference so far. More is always welcome. Also, you will notice that some devices (like KPL dimmers) come in multiple versions, and the correspondence between hardware revision (the label on the device) and the firmware (the number reported by ISY) is different for different versions. Still, if you are interested in knowing about the differences between the different versions, it may be helpful.

[Michel Kohanim]

jdale,

 

This is wonderful. Would you mind if we put a link to it in our Wiki?

 

Thanks so very much!

 

With kind regards,

Michel

[robfitz]

Many thanks to all!!

[jdale]

This is wonderful. Would you mind if we put a link to it in our Wiki?

 

Please feel free. The hope is that it will be useful.

[robfitz]

Just an FYI, spent some time on the phone with Insteon and the SmartHome folks. Turns ot there is no way to have a KPL Secondary Button control the local load regardless of the firmware version. If this is in deed correct (and we tried it with the 2C, 2D and most current firmware) you should consider removing this capability from your software.

[Michel Kohanim]

Hello robfitz,

 

Actually it does and I can verify it here. The only thing that does not work is having a mutual exclusive relationship between the sub button and the load. i.e. when button C is on turn off the load.

 

Furthermore, you can have on level/ramp rates for each sub button controlling its own load.

 

With kind regards,

Michel

Just an FYI, spent some time on the phone with Insteon and the SmartHome folks. Turns ot there is no way to have a KPL Secondary Button control the local load regardless of the firmware version. If this is in deed correct (and we tried it with the 2C, 2D and most current firmware) you should consider removing this capability from your software.