All-On/All-Off on 6-button KPL

[Goose66]

I have a 6-button KPL relay that I recently retasked and moved to my bedroom. The KPL relay does not have a load attached. I wanted to use the main buttons as All-On and All-Off for the various lights in the bedroom. This was no problem to setup, but the problem is the LED status lights.

 

For example, when you turn all the lights on, the ON button on the KPL illuminates. However, it stays on even if all the lights are turned off, for example by using All-Off on my ControlLinc or turning off the lights individually. Is there anyway to either make the lights on the main buttons ON and OFF on the KPL not illuminate, or to reset them if the scene is activated? Just adding the button to its own scene and controlling it programatically is no good, because then the OFF button will illuminate, and I don't want that either. Also, setting the On LED level is out, because I want the other buttons A-D to toggle on and off to reflect the status of specific conditions.

 

Thanks.

[oberkc]

I hope you forgive my confusion, but how did you set this up? Did you use a scene? A program?

 

I am also not certain what it is you are trying to achieve with your button illumination. It sounds like you don't mind if the KPL main on light is illuminated, but that you want the off light to be suppressed. I am unaware of any capability to define backlight levels for individual buttons, but the backlight dim setting of the KPL reduces the brightness for on, and eleminates backlight for off. Of course, this affects all buttons on a given KPL. On some versions of the KPL, there are variable backlight setting controllable by the ISY.

 

Regarding the use of a KPL button to turn off when all of the lights in a scene are turned off, I do something that sounds similar. I use a program. Let's say I have three lights in a scene, light A, B, and C. The are all in a scene as responders with a KPL button as a controller. All are locally controllable, and I want the KPL button to turn off if I happen to manually turn them all off individually. I also want the KPL button to be on if ANY ONE or more of these lights are manually turned on. I set up a program something like:

 

if

 

light A is not off

or light B is not off

or light C is not off

 

then

 

set KPL button on

 

else

 

set KPL button off

 

Perhaps a program like this would work for you.

[Goose66]

Sorry that my explanation was not clear. I have 4 lights (2 SwitchLincs and 2 In-LineLincs) in my bedroom. I also have a 6-button KPL Relay that is not connected to a load. The KPL Relay presents as 5 buttons to the ISY: Main, A, B, C, and D. Buttons A, B, C, D are used to control various states and functions in the house and are in toggle mode. Main (On and Off) buttons are controllers in a scene that includes all 4 lights in the bedroom.

 

All this works just fine. It is the button status LEDs (not backlight) that are the problem. The buttons A,B,C,D are in toggle mode and the status LEDs work correctly. The Main buttons(On and Off), however don't respond as desired, in that when the On button is pressed, and all lights are turned on, the status LED for the On button illuminates. But then, if some or all of the lights are turned off, the status LED for the On button remains illuminated.

 

What I was hoping for was that the status LEDs on these two buttons On and Off would never illuminate, since their status cannot be determined. Ideally, I could set the On button to non-toggle On mode, and the Off button to non-toggle Off mode, but this doesn't seem to be possible. I was trying to find out if there is a program workaround to implement this functionality, i.e. keep the status LEDs for the On and Off buttons from illuminating (or remaining illuminated).

 

If this is not possible, then the program idea you provided is at least a more accurate representation of the staus than what I have now. However, ideally I could have no status lights at all. At this point, I think I may get an 8-button conversion kit for $8 and that would solve all my problems (hopefully).

[oberkc]

But then, if some or all of the lights are turned off, the status LED for the On button remains illuminated.

 

Yes, I understand your problem.

 

What I was hoping for was that the status LEDs on these two buttons On and Off would never illuminate, since their status cannot be determined.

 

There is no way, to my knowledge, to selectivly deactivate certain buttons on a KPL. However, if you can live with no status indication on ALL buttons on your KPL, then you may have options. On certain versions of KPLs, and with later versions of the ISY software, you can define lighting levels for both on indication, and off (applying to entire keypad). If you set both on and off to 0, then they will come on under no circumstances. Hopefully, your versions of KPL are new enough.

 

Ideally, I could set the On button to non-toggle On mode, and the Off button to non-toggle Off mode, but this doesn't seem to be possible.

 

That is also my understanding.

 

I was trying to find out if there is a program workaround to implement this functionality

 

It sounds like we are both coming up empty on this one. On these same versions of KPL and software, you can change illumination levels for on and off through programs, it is subject to the same limitations (applies to entire keypad).

 

Sorry I could not be more help.

[oberkc]

At this point, I think I may get an 8-button conversion kit for $8 and that would solve all my problems (hopefully).

 

I have noticed that buttons configured as non-toggle on are constantly illuminated at the on level. Conversely, buttons configured to non-toggle off are illuminated in the off level, always. I am not sure that this meets your needs, either.