nlaredo Posted November 6, 2011 Posted November 6, 2011 http://www.smarthome.com/2476ST/SwitchL ... ite/p.aspx I currently have 2.8.16 and see all my new timer switches that I installed on bathroom fans as Unsupported Device: 2.41 For my other unsupported device, a dual band 6-button keypad, I was able to manually select a 2486S/WH6-SP, but I can't find anything even remotely close to the switchinc timer. I can still turn them on/off remotely, but I can't set them up as controllers in scenes, for example. Is this supported in newer software? Is there an existing compatible device that I missed?
LeeG Posted November 6, 2011 Posted November 6, 2011 nlaredo The 2476ST is listed as a supported device in the 3.1.10 Beta release. Other choices would be a 2476S SwitchLinc Relay (without timer) or a 2876S ICON Relay. Don't know if either is in the 2.8.16 device list. Lee
nlaredo Posted November 7, 2011 Author Posted November 7, 2011 Lucky me. After upgrading to 3.1.10, the /admin page just shows Java 2+ Required. and it worked just before upgrade in order to upgrade it. All the programs and devices still appear to be in there, but now I'm effectively locked out of the admin console.
LeeG Posted November 7, 2011 Posted November 7, 2011 What OS are you running and what Java level is installed? I'm running 1.6.0_23-b05 on XP Be sure to clear the Java cache and use the URL that accesses the 3.1.10 Admin Console. It will not be the same code that ran on 2.8.16.
nlaredo Posted November 7, 2011 Author Posted November 7, 2011 OSX 10.6.8 Java Plug-In 2 for NPAPI Browsers 13.5.0 (disabled by corp policy) Sigh.
nlaredo Posted November 7, 2011 Author Posted November 7, 2011 Worked around the java disable temporarily only to find that the switchlinc timer is treated as a switchlinc relay in 3.1.10. A little disappointing. I was hoping there would be parameters I could control. I realize I could set a standard switchlinc to turn off via program, but I wanted to use the timer part to ensure that the fans in the bathrooms really turned off in the case of network failure, etc. I had also hoped that I would be able to link the timer off event to turn other things off in linked scenes in case they were on, but that may just have been wishful thinking on my part.
Michel Kohanim Posted November 8, 2011 Posted November 8, 2011 nlaredo, Worked around the java disable temporarily only to find that the switchlinc timer is treated as a switchlinc relay in 3.1.10. The naming might be misleading but there is no distinction between the two from INSTEON/ISY perspective. A little disappointing. I was hoping there would be parameters I could control. I realize I could set a standard switchlinc to turn off via program, but I wanted to use the timer part to ensure that the fans in the bathrooms really turned off in the case of network failure, etc. I am not aware of any parameters that could be set on the SwitchLinc timer except those that are set locally. I had also hoped that I would be able to link the timer off event to turn other things off in linked scenes in case they were on, but that may just have been wishful thinking on my part. I still do not understand which part is wishful thinking. If your SwitchLinc timer turns off (after the timer is set), it should send an off command to all responders in the scene. If it does not, please do let us know and we'll take it up with SmartHome
nlaredo Posted November 8, 2011 Author Posted November 8, 2011 Michael, The wishful thinking was that there would be some timeout parameters for me to control via the isy vs only being able to set the timeout via number of button presses on the switch. As for scenes, I think part of my wishful thinking came from not having much experience with insteon yet... I wanted to be able to setup a controller to turn off a scene but not turn it on... but so far I haven't figured out how to do much more than something that looks just like 3-way and 4-way switches where they all track each other.
Michel Kohanim Posted November 8, 2011 Posted November 8, 2011 Hi again nlaredo! Thanks so very much for the clarifications. I have already sent an email to SmartHome to see if they have an updated documentation for this device of which we had not been notified. We shall keep you posted if anything comes up. You can have KeypadLinc devices turn scenes off (and not on) but setting the Button Toggle Mode (to Non Toggle Off). With kind regards, Michel
nlaredo Posted December 19, 2011 Author Posted December 19, 2011 I'm now running 3.1.14, and it seems since linking the switchlinc timers to the isy99i, they no longer function as timers but just work the same as switchlinc relays and stay on for far longer than 15 minutes with a single on press. Have you learned anything new about them from smartlabs? I noticed in the instructions the linking instructions include different behavior depending on the state of the switch at the time of linking. This seems kind of clumsy for linking under software control rather than the "old fasioned" way.
Michel Kohanim Posted December 19, 2011 Posted December 19, 2011 Hi nlaredo, Have not heard anything back from SmartHome. I shall send one more email. With kind regards, Michel
Teken Posted December 19, 2011 Posted December 19, 2011 I'm now running 3.1.14, and it seems since linking the switchlinc timers to the isy99i, they no longer function as timers but just work the same as switchlinc relays and stay on for far longer than 15 minutes with a single on press. Have you learned anything new about them from smartlabs? I noticed in the instructions the linking instructions include different behavior depending on the state of the switch at the time of linking. This seems kind of clumsy for linking under software control rather than the "old fasioned" way. As far as I am aware what you're describing is the expected behavior. *IF* you turn the TimerLinc on locally, you will see that the 15 minute, 1-2-3 etc timers do operate. *IF* you turn on the TimerLinc from another switch / ISY. That TimerLinc will only function as a SwitchLinc Relay. Now, If you link the TimerLinc to another Insteon device which acts as a responder in part of another scene. My expectation is that all those devices would indeed turn on / off with the local timer settings, *IF* you turn it on locally. Others may clarify or expand my explanation so it is 100% accurate. Teken . . .
Brian H Posted December 19, 2011 Posted December 19, 2011 If you look at the Full Users manual for the 2476ST. http://wiki.smarthome.com/index.php?tit ... Linc_Timer It indicates if another controller turns it On the timer function does not time out. It acts like a standard SwitchLinc. It also indicates that if the 2476ST controls another Insteon device it also will not follow the timer function. I believe just the 2476ST will time out. Though no hands on experiences with it.
Teken Posted December 19, 2011 Posted December 19, 2011 It also indicates that if the 2476ST controls another Insteon device it also will not follow the timer function. I believe just the 2476ST will time out. Though no hands on experiences with it. I will confirm this behavior, once I am off work. Teken . . .
Michel Kohanim Posted December 19, 2011 Posted December 19, 2011 Hello everyone, Just received the API documentation ... there a configuration bits that can be set to: a) allow the timer functions to remain active to send group commands Initial testing on the beta unit was not successful. We just ordered a new unit to test these configuration bits. With kind regards, Michel
Teken Posted December 19, 2011 Posted December 19, 2011 Hello everyone, Just received the API documentation ... there a configuration bits that can be set to: a) allow the timer functions to remain active to send group commands Initial testing on the beta unit was not successful. We just ordered a new unit to test these configuration bits. With kind regards, Michel Michel, When you receive the new unit could you please include the firmware, production date, along with the ISY version number. If you're able to get that portion working it would be most excellent! As always, I thank you and the UDI team . . . Teken . . .
dstanley Posted December 30, 2011 Posted December 30, 2011 Not trying to steal this thread but I noticed something similar happening with my KeypadLinc Countdown Timer v.2D (2484DWH8). I just upgraded to 3.1.16 on my ISY99i (1020) If I use a KeypadLinc secondary button in another room to control this timer in my garage in a scene and activate the 2-minute button the timer will run for two minutes and turn off. When I tried to change it to control the other buttons - say the 5-minute button then the light will not time out but stay on without a timeout? When I tried this it bugged me so i just put it back on the 2-minute button. Can you confirm if this is the same behaviour/problem as the Switchlinc Timer? Thanks, Dwight
Michel Kohanim Posted December 31, 2011 Posted December 31, 2011 Hello Dwight, Are you putting the 5 minute button in a scene? With kind regards, Michel
dstanley Posted January 1, 2012 Posted January 1, 2012 When I put the 5 minute button in a scene with another keypadlinc button then it will turn on but it will not time down to off like I thought it would ... It just stays on!? Only the 2 minute button will operate the timer ... Now this was with older isy firmware ... Maybe I should try it again? Dwight EDIT: I tried this again and this time it worked!!! Probably just something that I was doing wrong. A Keypadlinc sub-key can now trigger the timer 5 minute button on the Timer and it does shut off.
nlaredo Posted January 27, 2012 Author Posted January 27, 2012 Hi Michel, I just updated to 3.1.17 and unlinked one of my switchlinc relay timers and re-linked them, and now I see a beautiful "set options" dialog with tons of options to set, and I just wanted to say thanks for making this work. Now I get to remove and re-link the other three switchlinc timers, so hopefully I won't come home to any bathroom fans accidentally left on anymore (yes, I realize I could have set an isy99i program with a timer but that means that it would leave things on if accidentally unplugged).
Michel Kohanim Posted January 27, 2012 Posted January 27, 2012 nlaredo, Our pleasure and thanks so very much for taking the time to let us know! With kind regards, Michel
Teken Posted January 27, 2012 Posted January 27, 2012 Hello Michel, I am receiving this error with two SwitchLinc Timers. Both devices show the ability to make changes to the parameters. But, upon making any changes I am presented with this error message. Regards Teken . . .
Teken Posted January 27, 2012 Posted January 27, 2012 This device will not allow me to keep the new values? Once you enter the new time *15 minutes* upon re-opening the options window. The value returns back to 255 minutes? Regards Teken . . .
Teken Posted January 27, 2012 Posted January 27, 2012 This is the log files upon making the timer changes and the end results. It appears nothing is being written to the device? Teken . . . Fri 01/27/2012 10:28:08 AM : CLI-WBug: Connecting to datafeed.weatherbug.com Fri 01/27/2012 10:28:08 AM : CLI-WBug: Successfully Processed WBug Response Fri 01/27/2012 10:28:08 AM : [MOD 2 2 1 11] 110000.000000 Weather - Wind Speed = 11 km/h Fri 01/27/2012 10:28:08 AM : [MOD 2 2 1 12] 110000.000000 Weather - Wind Average Speed = 11 km/h Fri 01/27/2012 10:28:08 AM : [MOD 2 2 1 22] 5822.000000 Weather - Evapotranspiration = 0.5822 mm/day Fri 01/27/2012 10:28:17 AM : [iNST-ACK ] 02 62 11.DC.42 0F 1F 00 06 GOF (FLAGS) Fri 01/27/2012 10:28:18 AM : [iNST-SRX ] 02 50 11.DC.42 13.24.E1 2B 1F 00 GOF (FLAGS) Fri 01/27/2012 10:28:18 AM : [standard-Direct Ack][11.DC.42-->ISY/PLM Group=0] Max Hops=3, Hops Left=2 Fri 01/27/2012 10:28:18 AM : [All ] Writing 0 bytes to devices Fri 01/27/2012 10:28:18 AM : [iNST-ACK ] 02 62 11.DC.42 1F 2E 00 01 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 06 (00) Fri 01/27/2012 10:28:18 AM : [iNST-SRX ] 02 50 11.DC.42 13.24.E1 2B 2E 00 (00) Fri 01/27/2012 10:28:18 AM : [standard-Direct Ack][11.DC.42-->ISY/PLM Group=0] Max Hops=3, Hops Left=2 Fri 01/27/2012 10:28:19 AM : [iNST-ERX ] 02 51 11 DC 42 13 24 E1 11 2E 00 01 01 00 FF 20 00 00 F2 00 00 00 26 B3 00 Fri 01/27/2012 10:28:19 AM : [Extended-Direct][11.DC.42-->ISY/PLM Group=0] Max Hops=1, Hops Left=0 Fri 01/27/2012 10:28:19 AM : [All ] Writing 0 bytes to devices Fri 01/27/2012 10:28:28 AM : [iNST-ACK ] 02 62 11.DC.42 1F 2E 00 01 06 0F 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 06 (00) Fri 01/27/2012 10:28:29 AM : [iNST-SRX ] 02 50 11.DC.42 13.24.E1 2B 2E 00 (00) Fri 01/27/2012 10:28:29 AM : [standard-Direct Ack][11.DC.42-->ISY/PLM Group=0] Max Hops=3, Hops Left=2 Fri 01/27/2012 10:28:29 AM : [All ] Writing 0 bytes to devices Fri 01/27/2012 10:29:07 AM : CLI-WBug: Connecting to datafeed.weatherbug.com Fri 01/27/2012 10:29:07 AM : CLI-WBug: Successfully Processed WBug Response Fri 01/27/2012 10:29:07 AM : [iNST-ACK ] 02 62 11.DC.42 0F 1F 00 06 GOF (FLAGS) Fri 01/27/2012 10:29:08 AM : [iNST-SRX ] 02 50 11.DC.42 13.24.E1 2B 1F 00 GOF (FLAGS) Fri 01/27/2012 10:29:08 AM : [standard-Direct Ack][11.DC.42-->ISY/PLM Group=0] Max Hops=3, Hops Left=2 Fri 01/27/2012 10:29:08 AM : [All ] Writing 0 bytes to devices Fri 01/27/2012 10:29:08 AM : [iNST-ACK ] 02 62 11.DC.42 1F 2E 00 01 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 06 (00) Fri 01/27/2012 10:29:08 AM : [iNST-SRX ] 02 50 11.DC.42 13.24.E1 2B 2E 00 (00) Fri 01/27/2012 10:29:08 AM : [standard-Direct Ack][11.DC.42-->ISY/PLM Group=0] Max Hops=3, Hops Left=2 Fri 01/27/2012 10:29:09 AM : [iNST-ERX ] 02 51 11 DC 42 13 24 E1 11 2E 00 01 01 00 FF 20 00 00 F1 00 00 00 2F FC 00 Fri 01/27/2012 10:29:09 AM : [Extended-Direct][11.DC.42-->ISY/PLM Group=0] Max Hops=1, Hops Left=0 Fri 01/27/2012 10:29:09 AM : [All ] Writing 0 bytes to devices
LeeG Posted January 27, 2012 Posted January 27, 2012 For the benefit of others who may be following this topic, Smarthome has discontinued the 2476ST device.
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