silverton38

I have not doubt but that was the beginning of the end.

There were so many "smart" people working for Smartlabs that they thought they were even smarter than their customers. The downfall started when they killed the serial PLM. They believed that their brand would be better if they controlled all the customers and did not have any third party access. They would then relaunch with Nokia and grow grow grow. I sent many letters to them explaining that they would be out of business if they did not start making the serial PLM. In a conversation with some executive along the way; I was told that "Insteon is probably moving to a closed platform because it is a better experience for the customer" and I was referred to Nokia. All that happened was a collapse of Insteon sales because the bigger professional customers looked and found alternatives. I would have continued to purchase and install Insteon/ISY/serial PLM solutions to this day. How many more "customer like me" did the same? in summary; they did it to themselves.

I have to agree. HA is a choice and so is Homeseer and Hubitat. All of these can do both Z-wave and Zigbee (HA Home Assistant requires the USB stick).

All the Z-wave devices have a companion 3 way switch.

I do not disagree but a solution with a signal box works better for my professional installations.

I will personally be unloaded a lot of Insteon items soon. Make sure you grab any serial PLM that comes around. That is your biggest risk.

Maybe it is time for a new ISY that is Zigbee, Z-wave and even maybe Lutron RA2/Caseta with support for Insteon as a transition?

I really feel for you. I personally have moved most of my stuff over to Lutron. Also keep in mind that the ISY is around and you can exist for a long time on that. You can also get the ISY with Z-wave and start moving in that directly; though I personally do not like Z-wave. Maybe the ISY will do what they did for Insteon but with Lutron's system? Hint Hint!!!

We will wait and see. In the mean time I will continue my installations with Caseta using Telnet.

I agree with you that Caseta will be around for a long time so this is a mute point.

I will see when it is released. They may very well not have it but we will see upon release.

The question is will they have Telnet available as well as Leap to be compatible with existing integrations? It will be interesting to watch when it is released. I am not saying they will, I am just saying it is possible. Again this is not Caseta which most of us use.

Why did Lutron Develop LEAP? For many years, most Lutron systems communicated using a Telnet-based protocol over TCP/IP. While Telnet integration with other systems proved to be very capable and deployed on thousands of projects, technology in the industry has continued to advance in addition to the needs of the client. This is where LEAP comes in to play. Secure – Instead of just utilizing a username and password for security, LEAP uses a pairing process with the 3rd party device that requires both verification of physical access as well as certificate-based authentication over a Transport Layer Security (TLS) connection. This helps provide peace of mind for the client. Dynamic – As opposed to the Telnet integration with a static configuration file, created when the database was transferred into the system, LEAP is more dynamic and allows for configuration reads during setup or runtime, depending upon what is best for the 3rd party system. One thing that is certain, reading the Lutron configuration has never been easier for a 3rd party system and this all leads to an efficient deployment for the integrator, reducing time consuming, error prone and costly double entry of data.

We can continue to debate but we should wait and see. Either way Caseta is not going anywhere anytime soon so Telnet will be around for a while even if RA3 does not use it.

We will see when it is released. They have not said one way or the other.

Lutron is huge and I would assume they have been targeted by the security guys and all these tests have already happened. For example; Insteon had such a test and failed. I would recommend trusting that Lutron knows what it is doing.

Email still runs the same protocols for decades. I wish they would revise it but they do not.

Lutron does believe in proprietary protocols, which have served them well in the past. They will probably never use standardized protocols for their lighting. Lutron has only basic automation because it favors reliability over features. Having a separate hub that can do the "hard stuff" and that is the opening for the ISY; in my opinion.

Lutron passes my "forget me" test. I can do a Lutron setup and come back a year later and it will be working just as I left it.

You can worry about any platform being hacked, they are no different then anyone else. I trust them and will continue to use them. They seem to have the most reliable platform out there; which is what really matters.

Email is almost as old. That does not make it bad. Again it is not telnet itself it is how Lutron uses it that matters.

At this time there is no known instance of hacking Lutron through its telnet interface but if you understand how they implement telnet you would see how hard it is to hack. Telnet runs as a separate process and only allows access to the switches themselves. So basically they give access telnet for anything that you can manually turn on and off or dim in the home. Their telnet implementation does not allow you to have account access or even install a new switch. It is completely open but only for what a physical person can do in the home. I have faith that Lutron knows what it is doing and will continue to use them. Maybe they will continue the feature in RA3 or maybe not but I will work with them as long as they allow third party access that works for me.

I am not aware of anyone having a security issue with Lutron HUB PRO or RA2. Telnet is an option and if you are concerned then do not turn it on.

We will just have to rely on the large corporation keeping up its security. I have faith in Lutron and have many installations without the slightest issue.