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Thanks @lilyoyo1! The choices in my drop down menu don't show 'Native', but 'Insteon' instead. I think I can live with that :-). More importantly, how does 'Default' fit into it? I have currently most of my scenes with mix of 'Insteon' and 'Default', like shown in my initial screenshot. Most of these scenes are triggered by the ISY (via Alexa or my Crestron) and occasionally via KP. Would/Should I change them and if so to what? Also, why is there a mix of them in the first place? Again, probably pretty dumb questions, so please bear with me. Thanks!

Thanks, @Chris Jahn . I found some additional references here and here. Unfortunately, even after reading it a several times, I have to admit, I don't really understand it. Would it be possible to dumb it down for me, please? In particular, I would like to know if there is a preference/best practice which 'flavor' to use for Scenes controlled by ISY (e.g. through a program or 3rd party (Alexa or external control system via REST), as well as Insteon devices, e.g. keypads. Thanks!

Happy New Year! I came across this 'default' in most of my scenes and have been trying to figure out what this means or does. I had never noticed it before. I seemed to have always 'concrete' Actions, like '100% in 2.0 seconds'....and to be honest I never paid attention to the Link Type before. I would appreciate if anyone enlighten me. My search came up empty. (ISY994i with v5.0.16b)

@Michel Kohanim Thanks for the confirmation!

@Michel Kohanim I don't think so, unless you are referring to the Network Resources.

@Michel Kohanim Funny! That's actually that's what I just did Before that I had installed the brand new 16GB SD card, as well as doing a factory reset of the ISY. This did not do the trick, e.g. no access to Portal. Then I noticed that there was a difference between F/W and UI version: v5.0.16B vs. v5.0.16, so I decided to reinstall the F/W. While the versions have not changed (=> is this correct?), the ISY is now connected to the Portal. I also noticed: Logon credentials had reverted to default (admin, admin) and had not been retained System location settings had not been retained. => Is this normal after a config restore? This is a fresh error log, after an ISY reboot: 2019/12/27 12:17:28 System -5 Start 2019/12/27 12:17:34 System -110022 /DEF/F6/I1/NLS/EN_US.TXT 2019/12/27 12:17:35 System -110022 /CONF/UXT.BIN 2019/12/27 12:17:35 System -110012 /CONF/UXT.BIN 2019/12/27 12:17:37 System -170001 [Network] Established -110012: SD DRIVE CONFIG FILE OPEN READ FAILED -110022: OPEN FILE FAILED So it seems there are still file errors, correct? => How do I address this?

Hello Michel; Here is are the recent error log entries existing setup (the forgetful one): 2019/12/25 13:51:21 System -5 Start 2019/12/25 13:51:28 System -110022 /DEF/F6/I1/NLS/EN_US.TXT 2019/12/25 13:51:29 System -110022 /CONF/UXT.BIN 2019/12/25 13:51:29 System -110012 /CONF/UXT.BIN 2019/12/25 13:51:31 System -170001 [Network] Established 2019/12/25 14:06:06 System -5011 uuid:0 2019/12/26 01:51:37 System -100 [DHCP] state=RENEW 2019/12/26 07:23:54 System -5 Start 2019/12/26 07:24:01 System -110022 /DEF/F6/I1/NLS/EN_US.TXT 2019/12/26 07:24:01 System -110022 /CONF/UXT.BIN 2019/12/26 07:24:01 System -110012 /CONF/UXT.BIN 2019/12/26 07:24:04 System -170001 [Network] Established 2019/12/26 07:28:52 System -5006 uuid:28 and my lookup of the messages: -5: no error message found in wiki -5006: no error message found in wiki -5011: PROCESS DEVICE STATE CHANGE SID NOT FOUND -110012: SD DRIVE CONFIG FILE OPEN READ FAILED -110022: OPEN FILE FAILED -170001: no error message found in wiki with replacement SD card setup (the one I cannot connect to the portal): This is the complete log after another fresh restore just now with my most recent backup file: Time User Code Message Thu 2019/12/26 07:45:16 AM System -5 Start Thu 2019/12/26 07:45:17 AM System -110022 /CONF/INSTENG.OPT Thu 2019/12/26 07:45:17 AM System -110012 /CONF/INSTENG.OPT Thu 2019/12/26 07:45:17 AM System -110022 /DEF/F1/I1/NLS/EN_US.TXT Thu 2019/12/26 07:45:17 AM System -110022 /CONF/UXT.BIN Thu 2019/12/26 07:45:17 AM System -110012 /CONF/UXT.BIN Thu 2019/12/26 07:45:17 AM System -110022 /WEB/ELKNLS.XML Thu 2019/12/26 07:45:17 AM System -170001 [Network] Established Thu 2019/12/26 07:45:17 AM System -110022 /CONF/PORTALS.PSF Thu 2019/12/26 07:45:17 AM System -170001 [TCP-Conn] -256/-140002, Portal-Dispatch Thu 2019/12/26 04:45:46 AM System -170001 [TCP-Conn] -256/-140002, Portal-Dispatch Thu 2019/12/26 04:45:58 AM System -110022 /WEB/DRIVER.XML Thu 2019/12/26 04:45:58 AM System -110022 /WEB/DRIVER.XML Thu 2019/12/26 04:46:16 AM System -170001 [TCP-Conn] -256/-140002, Portal-Dispatch Thu 2019/12/26 04:46:46 AM System -170001 [TCP-Conn] -256/-140002, Portal-Dispatch Thu 2019/12/26 04:47:17 AM System -170001 [TCP-Conn] -256/-140002, Portal-Dispatch Thu 2019/12/26 04:47:47 AM System -170001 [TCP-Conn] -256/-140002, Portal-Dispatch Thu 2019/12/26 04:48:17 AM System -170001 [TCP-Conn] -256/-140002, Portal-Dispatch Thu 2019/12/26 04:48:47 AM System -170001 [TCP-Conn] -256/-140002, Portal-Dispatch Thu 2019/12/26 04:49:17 AM System -170001 [TCP-Conn] -256/-140002, Portal-Dispatch Thu 2019/12/26 04:49:47 AM System -170001 [TCP-Conn] -256/-140002, Portal-Dispatch Thu 2019/12/26 04:50:17 AM System -170001 [TCP-Conn] -256/-140002, Portal-Dispatch Thu 2019/12/26 04:50:39 AM System -5 Start Thu 2019/12/26 04:50:41 AM System -110022 /DEF/F1/I1/NLS/EN_US.TXT Thu 2019/12/26 04:50:41 AM System -110022 /DEF/F4/I1/NLS/EN_US.TXT Thu 2019/12/26 04:50:41 AM System -110022 /DEF/F6/I1/NLS/EN_US.TXT Thu 2019/12/26 04:50:41 AM System -110022 /CONF/UXT.BIN Thu 2019/12/26 04:50:41 AM System -110012 /CONF/UXT.BIN Thu 2019/12/26 04:50:41 AM System -110022 /WEB/ELKNLS.XML Thu 2019/12/26 04:50:43 AM System -170001 [Network] Established Thu 2019/12/26 04:50:44 AM System -170001 [TCP-Conn] -256/-140002, Portal-Dispatch Thu 2019/12/26 04:51:14 AM System -170001 [TCP-Conn] -256/-140002, Portal-Dispatch Thu 2019/12/26 04:51:44 AM System -170001 [TCP-Conn] -256/-140002, Portal-Dispatch Thu 2019/12/26 04:51:55 AM System -110022 /WEB/DRIVER.XML Thu 2019/12/26 04:51:55 AM System -110022 /WEB/DRIVER.XML Thu 2019/12/26 04:52:00 AM System -10011 n/a Thu 2019/12/26 04:52:14 AM System -170001 [TCP-Conn] -256/-140002, Portal-Dispatch Thu 2019/12/26 04:52:44 AM System -170001 [TCP-Conn] -256/-140002, Portal-Dispatch Thu 2019/12/26 04:53:03 AM System -110022 /WEB/DRIVER.XML Thu 2019/12/26 04:53:03 AM System -110022 /WEB/DRIVER.XML Thu 2019/12/26 04:53:14 AM System -170001 [TCP-Conn] -256/-140002, Portal-Dispatch Thu 2019/12/26 04:55:13 AM System -5 Start Thu 2019/12/26 04:55:15 AM System -110022 /DEF/F1/I1/NLS/EN_US.TXT Thu 2019/12/26 04:55:15 AM System -110022 /DEF/F4/I1/NLS/EN_US.TXT Thu 2019/12/26 04:55:15 AM System -110022 /DEF/F6/I1/NLS/EN_US.TXT Thu 2019/12/26 04:55:16 AM System -110022 /CONF/UXT.BIN Thu 2019/12/26 04:55:16 AM System -110012 /CONF/UXT.BIN Thu 2019/12/26 04:55:16 AM System -110022 /WEB/ELKNLS.XML Thu 2019/12/26 04:55:17 AM System -170001 [Network] Established Thu 2019/12/26 04:55:17 AM System -170001 [TCP-Conn] -256/-140002, Portal-Dispatch Thu 2019/12/26 04:55:28 AM System -5006 uuid:27 Thu 2019/12/26 04:55:37 AM System -110022 /WEB/DRIVER.XML Thu 2019/12/26 04:55:37 AM System -110022 /WEB/DRIVER.XML Thu 2019/12/26 04:55:45 AM System -10011 n/a No SMTP errrors, but a bunch of System messages/errors. Where should I go from here?

No devices. The trigger comes from Alexa, setting a Variable to trigger the notification. This works fine: in the ISY I can see the variable changing and the program icon flip to green. I can currently get messages, even though the Recipients field is empty and the Notifications are being sent to "3", which technically should no longer exist (I had this set up during earlier troubleshooting). In the meantime I was able to find an old 2GB SD card which I formatted with my Win10 PC (I tried formatting it through the ISY (telnet and FS per wiki), but it never completed). Unfortunately, this was also unsuccessful: while the Recipients were visible again and everything else seemingly was there, I kept getting LIB_ERRORS-403 during log-on though the admin console. Also I was not able to connect to the ISY through the Portal (it showed the device as offline). I tried reformatting the 2 GB SD card several times, as well as restoring from different, in part rather old back up versions, but all to no avail. Not sure if this is caused by a bad SD card, but I have now a brand new one (16GB) on order.

Thanks apostolakisl. The responses are not in regards to a PLM. They are basically notifications about timers, so it's all 'w/in' the ISY. (Even though I had several PLMs failing on me in the past and the symptoms were as you said (loosing touch).) I did not see any error messages, also the logs did not mention anything (that said, I have not found the build in ISY logs under Tools very useful). I think I'll try a new SD card next. A new one is only a few $$.

As of recent my ISY 994i has started acting a bit weird. I have noticed it with some programs where all of a sudden Notifications are no longer being sent. This despite no code or any other apparent changes to the set up. I had been using F/W 5.0.16 RC1 for several months and very recently updated to 5.0.16B RC1. It has happened with both versions. Using the Test feature to test the SMTP settings (Default, as well as my own ones) are successful. Creating new test programs to trigger notifications work also. Here is what I did to fix this issue - all methods worked, but only for some time. 1. Restore ISY and Devices (first time it worked, the second time it did not fix the issue) 2. Rebuilding my recipient Group and Customizations (Name/Customized Cotent), basically by copy/pasting the old ones. This morning I noticed that the entry for the recipients under Groups is empty, i.e. there are no longer any Recipients listed. However, my ISY just sent me an email as it should have based on the program that has been running.? The ISY seems to be working fine otherwise, e.g. Scenes are all working as far as I can tell. I wonder what the root cause could be. Is the SD card is failing or corrupted? ISY and card are 1/2 dozen + years old. Looking forward to your thoughts and suggestions.... Thanks!

I think I have to study up a bit more on these features to figure out the best way to utilize them. Thanks much!

That's a good idea. This way I have at least one 'simple' command per room. Thanks!

Thank you for your reply, Scott! Hmm, these are pretty severe limitations for my application. I have about 10 dimmable lights in each room, with numerous scenes. A simple 'Lights' doesn't cut it for me. Guess, I have to be patient until such feature becomes available. Could you please help me understand the differences are between Alexa Categories Devices and Scenes? They seem to behave pretty much the same when imported as such through the ISY Portal. Thanks!

I am trying to set up something similar to the OP. However, I have multiple lights/scenes in each room that I like to control individually. Each room has its own echo. Example: Bedroom A has 'Scene low', 'Scene mid', 'Scene high' Bedroom B has 'Scene low', 'Scene mid', 'Scene high' When I am in Bedroom B and say "Alexa, turn on Scene mid", it should only turn on that scene in that bedroom (and only there). It seems that above may only work for Lights (Alexa: Devices), but not for Scenes (Alexa: Scenes). Furthermore, the ISY Portal does not allow me to use the same name twice ("The spoken "xxxx" is already in use"). BTW, I am not quite clear that the differences are between Alexa Devices and Scenes. Looking forward to your comments. Thanks!

I recently got a bunch of echo 2nd gen, but also have a Spot on order. More for the fun of it... I pretty much have the syntax down by now, but I really appreciate that the ISY web portal allows me to register a multiple 'Alternate Spokens'. Looking at my track record, I really seem to need them

oberkc, I followed your instructions and ......it works! woohoo! (echo can run programs, control devices and scenes (and more). For multiple things, I believe it is best to create a program that includes these 'multiple things' (I am also still very, very new to echo))

I ran into a snag with my grinder..... I noticed it when I wanted to make me a 'victory espresso', which I feel I have earned after all that hard work here... I have Amazon's Alexa set up to run these programs. However, they now no longer work, as the "Then..." part of a program contains what Alexa triggers. Since my programs now no longer contain "Set Scene 'KP Coffee Bar / mazzer 1' On" the grinder does not get turned on. How can I fix this, without breaking the other parts again? Mazzer-Grinder-double shot Copy Copy - [iD 0026][Parent 0043] If Control '8x CB-A--LivingCeiling / 8x CB-H--Mazzer-double-shot' is switched On Then Wait 26 seconds Set Scene 'KP Coffee Bar / mazzer 1' Off Else - No Actions - (To add one, press 'Action')

I think I got it now! I truly appreciate all the hand holding the both of you have been doing! I had my old programs already deactivated, but the new ones not yet 'pruned' enough. before: Mazzer-Grinder-double shot Copy - [iD 000B][Parent 0043][Not Enabled] If Control '8x CB-A--LivingCeiling / 8x CB-H--Mazzer-double-shot' is switched On Then Set Scene 'KP Coffee Bar / mazzer 1' On Wait 26 seconds Set Scene 'KP Coffee Bar / mazzer 1' Off Else - No Actions - (To add one, press 'Action') I took off the red highlighted part, so now it's: Mazzer-Grinder-double shot Copy Copy - [iD 0026][Parent 0043] If Control '8x CB-A--LivingCeiling / 8x CB-H--Mazzer-double-shot' is switched On Then Wait 26 seconds Set Scene 'KP Coffee Bar / mazzer 1' Off Else - No Actions - (To add one, press 'Action') It now seems to work as expected. For reference, here are the Scene level settings again - unchanged since above: F On Level 100 G On Level 100 H On Level 100 Mazzer On Level 100 =============================== =============================== On to the next challenge: Variation of the original Second Case: Situation: (2) dimmers control the same lamp: first dimmer (A) is at bottom of the stairs and is wired to the lamp, 2nd dimmer (B ) is on top of the stairs (no load is physically connected). Goal: Both dimmer 'LED status light rows' show the correct dimming status of the lamp, independent of which dimmer was used. ================= Next progression is that if the lamp (, i.e. the dimmer (A)) gets turned on by another instance (program, scene, etc.) the LED status light of dimmer (B ) changes correspondingly. What's the best way to accomplish that?

Here is how I have set them (I did not change between the scenarios above): Button F: G On Level 0 H On Level 0 Mazzer on Level 100 Button G: F On Level 100 H On Level 0 Mazzer on Level 100 Button H: F On Level 100 G On Level 0 Mazzer on Level 100

I implemented oberck settings, incl. setting G and H to non-Toggle On. I tested (2) scenarios for the Scene level settings. Here are my findings: Scenario 1 Scene level setting: F On Level 100 G On Level 0 H On Level 0 Mazzer On Level 100 => pressing F, turns on MAZZER and F lights up, while G and H stay dark ++++ OK => pressing G, turns on MAZZER and F lights up, G lights up for a few seconds, while H stays dark completely ++++ NOK => I want to for G to stay on for the total time its program runs => pressing H, turns on MAZZER and F lights up, H lights up for a few seconds, while G stays dark completely ++++ NOK => I want to for H to stay on for the total time its program runs Scenario 2 Scene level setting: F On Level 100 G On Level 100 H On Level 100 Mazzer On Level 100 => pressing F, turns on MAZZER and F lights up, while G and H stay dark ++++ OK => pressing G, turns on MAZZER and F lights up, G lights up for for the total time the program runs, while H comes on after a few seconds ++++ NOK => I want to for H to stay dark for the entire time => pressing H, turns on MAZZER and F lights up, H lights up for for the total time the program runs, while G comes on after a few seconds ++++ NOK => I want to for G to stay dark for the entire time What do I need to do to get the responses I want? (I have not had a chance to test stu's suggestion.)

Hope that doesn't get too complicated.... Here we go: I am trying to control a coffee bean grinder (Mazzer) on ApplicanceLinc via a KPL (8x CB...): - KPL CB-F is controller for the grinder in a Scene: on/off - KPL CB-H is to launch a program to let the grinder run for 26 seconds (right amount of coffee for a double-shot of espresso) - KPL CB-G is to launch a program to let the grinder run for 17 seconds (right amount of coffee for a single-shot of espresso) The idea is that, e.g. when double-shot programs runs, the button CB-H, but also the button CF-F is lit. Below seems to be working OK, but it looks rather complicated. I wonder if this couldn't be accomplished in a simpler way. ===================================== Program 1: Mazzer-Grinder-double shot - [iD 0016][Parent 0043] If Control '8x CB-A--LivingCeiling / 8x CB-H--Mazzer-double-shot' is switched On Then Set 'Mazzer' On $Mazzer = 1 Wait 26 seconds Set 'Mazzer' Off $Mazzer = 0 Set Scene 'Status KP / Status CB / SC 8x CB F Status Mazzer' Off Set Scene 'Status KP / Status CB / SC 8x CB G Status Single Shot' Off Set Scene 'Status KP / Status CB / SC 8x CB H Status Double Shot' Off Else - No Actions - (To add one, press 'Action') ============================= Program 2 Mazzer-Grinder-single shot - [iD 0029][Parent 0043] If Control '8x CB-A--LivingCeiling / 8x CB-G--Mazzer-single-shot' is switched On Then Set 'Mazzer' On $Mazzer = 1 Wait 17 seconds Set 'Mazzer' Off $Mazzer = 0 Set Scene 'Status KP / Status CB / SC 8x CB F Status Mazzer' Off Set Scene 'Status KP / Status CB / SC 8x CB G Status Single Shot' Off Set Scene 'Status KP / Status CB / SC 8x CB H Status Double Shot' Off Else - No Actions - (To add one, press 'Action') ================================= Program 3 Query Mazzer - [iD 0024][Parent 0043] If $Mazzer is 1 Then Set Scene 'Status KP / Status CB / SC 8x CB F Status Mazzer' On Else Set Scene 'Status KP / Status CB / SC 8x CB F Status Mazzer' Off =================================================

Thanks Stu. Maybe I was not very clear. Please let me try again and let's focus only on the first case for now: I have a single device (ApplianceLinc). This device is (directly) controlled by a KPL button (scene with the device as only responder to the KPL button) The same device is also part of another scene, controlled by a different controller (actually it's also controlled by a program). I'd like to use the KPL button illumination as status indicator for the device (on/off). Hope this is clearer.

First Case: Situation: A KPL button is controller for a device - tied together via a Scene (A). The same device is also part of another Scene (B ). Goal: If Scene (B )gets turned on, the KPL button also gets illuminated (status light), as the device gets turned on. Correspondingly, the KPL status light in the button gets turned off if the device gets off. Second Case: Situation: (2) dimmers control the same lamp: first dimmer is at bottom of the stairs, 2nd dimmer is on top of the stairs. Goal: Both dimmer 'LED status light rows' show the correct dimming status of the lamp. So what is the best way to accomplish this? Thanks!

I was afraid of that answer. Thanks much for your response nevertheless.

Thanks much, Paul. This worked. Follow up question if I could: what is the best way to mass-edit entries? E.g. I need to change the IP address for all imported commands.