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All bets are off anyway. Just to keep things simple, lets look at this forum. Most users already have full systems. How many devices are they really going to replace? Hub users who stay with the hub are probably set with the devices they are buying as well. Either they've done their whole home already or they're in the beginning stages which makes swapping out much easier. As you've already stated, many will already be gutting their systems which means a lot will go to ebay anyway to save money. Those same people who are gutting their systems will be looking at other stuff as well...why not UDI switches....especially if they decide to use Polisy and know that they will have the devices needed to fill out their system. Reality is, they are not going to capture everyone regardless of what they do. Someone will be unhappy with whatever path they choose. Because of this, new sales is paramount for success vs focusing sales on existing customers who will purchase a smaller number of devices. Existing customers are being acknowledged by them simply being willing to try and buy the company. If thats not enough for existing users to support them then nothing will. Besides that, they could offer a discount to existing users to trade in devices. 30% off is one heck of a deal to get people to be willing to switch. As much as people complain about insteon not doing anything new or different, here would be the perfect opportunity for them to get something new. Im not saying to continue using the Nokia name. Im using it here to differentiate between the old insteon line and new. If anything, they are better off putting as much distance between anything insteon had their hands on. I get why you feel they should stick with the old but thats an emotional thought based on individual lifestyle. Business isnt that. Its cold and UDI must be forward thinking while trying not to distance themselves to much from their main base. They have to think logically about their next steps and what makes most sense long term for their future. Some will be please while others wont. Continuing the same simply isnt logical.

Larry is correct in regards to whether or not anyone would trust insteon which is why I'd rather then focus on Nokia (if possible). Easy to rename and the different look separates them from insteon. Since Nokia devices can be either a dimmer or relay, there are less skus to manage and maintain. It's 2 devices. A paddle and keypad. They can use the outlet if they choose but that's not a necessity even though it's much better than zwave offerings. They don't need them to look the same. If they do nothing what choices are current users left with? They'll be in the same boat regardless. At least this way, they have a path forward with something that works natively with their current setup allowing them to upgrade at their leisure

The point of buying insteon is to make money and in the process help users. It's not out of the kindness of their heart. That's capital/loans they could use on other stuff. That bill will come due at some point. I hope the focus would be on re-making insteon in their image vs trying to carry on insteons legacy. Personally I'd rather see them make the hub subscription based to recoup their costs and give hub owners time to move on from that device, vs trying to maintain separate systems long term. 20 bucks a year and move on. I'd let insteon die. After what happened and how, there's no coming back from it. Sure, users here may buy more devices but the name isnt worth much outside. It'll be hard for others not aware of UDI's reputation to trust it. I would keep the current Nokia line since the work is already done and rebrand it as UDI devices. Ditto with their own PLM. This separates them from insteon with an all new lineup that still works with older stuff. This allows UDI to sell new devices to existing customers looking to upgrade, and capture hub users looking to move on. In addition, they can also sell to other users of other controllers and license the technology to other companies should they choose. The main 2 benefits of this is that it allows for more sales which equals more money and allows their full vision of HA to come to fruition since they aren't beholden to someone else's vision like they currently are with zwave and other technologies. Trying to maintain 2 separate systems just because stretches themselves too thin without any tangible benefits. Sure, goodwill is nice but that doesn't keep the lights on.

Yes I do. it'll reset once it's off regardless of how it's turned off

Status should work. While control is fine, it wouldn't cover what he's trying to do should he turn his lights on with voice or app control. @arshishkI've experienced the same thing. I ended up creating a variable which for some reason works without fail

I agree with the touch screen. We had touchscreens in the wall in our old home in addition to using command fusion years ago. Never used any of the touchscreens except for as an alarm panel. Was more work than simply using a keypad I used command fusion since i was tired to an app at the time but no longer need them for the house. I never used it to control the TVs even though it could

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That's the part I was thinking about

You already know my history with insteon so i just want to respond about some of what you've posted. No expansion- J. Dada Used insteon as his toy to satisfy him and his friends needs. I think he truly meant well at one point but wasn't focused on seeing those ideas through. He wanted to be able to say he did something vs putting forth the effort to do it properly. This is why Europe had product but they really didn't push for it. He was more interest in saying insteon was world wide than seeing it through completely. Deprecated hardware- Most of the stuff disco'd after purchase needed to be disco'd. If i had bought the company, i would've done the same. The only difference would've been colors. I would've kept the top 2 options after white. The only thing I really think they completely screwed up on was getting rid of their other smart home products. The 3rd party products is what would float them when insteon sales were down and vice versa. I would've got rid of the junk stuff and focused on making it the biggest source of home automation tech out there. Nokia Rebrand- I would've done the same to get out from under all the bad reviews that still haunted them years after they were corrected. The difference with me however would've been to capitalize on my built in user base as that meant instant sales base. I would've focused on making the product available to anyone who wanted to support it- which leads to my next statement. Jealousy- Most of what went wrong IMO is jealously. Things turned sour because the dynamic went from UDI making a device that controlled insteon and them needing insteon (even if only in their mind) to insteon needing UDI. They hated that dynamic. Instead of seeing UDI as a partner they could grow with, they saw them as competition. Some in management said they were going to make a controller that would put the isy to shame (more on that later) They used to get on their tech support because none wanted to push insteon controllers. All would steer customers away from insteon hubs to the Isy. I think this played a major part as to why Rob wanted to go at it alone. He was an investor there before they got JD to sell. Homekit. This was their downfall. This was the beginning of the end. When they were picked for homekit, they went way in over their heads. This is partly why I defended @Michel Kohanim decision NOT TO support homekit so vigorously. Prior to homekit, they were working on I3 with a new chip design and a slew of new features such as being able to tune the power line signal to get away from noise, decouple the signal from zero crossing, etc. Had it come to fruition, it would've been spectacular. We had a few talks back then about it. Around this time, they wanted the hub3 to provide conditional logic to provide a challenge to Isy. Even employees laughed which didn't go over to well. Once Apple picked them, all eggs went into the homekit basket. Apple's changes forced rewrite after rewrite of their software (partly why Hubpro sucked so bad). They allowed a company that knew nothing of automation tell them how to automate and the results spoke for itself. They never recovered from the Hubpro fiasco. Had they sat back, waited, and simply followed everyone else, they could've slapped a chip in the hubpro to allow insteon devices to be controlled like everyone else, and been ok. Instead they went all in, lost everything, and lack of new products killed them. Liquidation- Up until Oct./Nov. I think they were really looking at staying afloat. With no products to sell they couldn't hang on.

There were 2 pieces that you needed which allowed me to use it with my dinky link. I'll have to see if i still have my old one to give you the model number. If the Node server cant capture the input, it wouldn't matter anyway

Does the Node server allow you to configure/capture the input on the itach? Back when I used command fusion, I was able to use my itach with their receiver so i could still use a regular remote if i had to.

I think it's supply and demand. There are so many on there for sale no one feels a need to over pay. Even on forums, so many are talking about ripping out their system, buyers know more will come down the pipeline

I believe there's a Node server for itach. You may be able to use that

No. There are hacks but not directly

I wonder how much could I get for my Nokia hub ? ?

For once i agree with you though i wouldn't call it mismanagement. There's a huge cost savings when it comes lean manufacturing. I have a client that owns a steel company in Ohio. We were talking about things and he was telling me how much his company saved when they transitioned to a lean manufacturing company. They pay 3x as much when something goes wrong because everything is a rush but those are 1 off events. The costs savings (including downtime from outages), is still much greater than when they kept products on hand. You're talking about tens of millions in savings for these large companies. For him, and most others, COVID was the perfect storm for good and bad. Being lean made his company much more nimble to react to market changes but this pandemic was so great, many were forced to throw out all playbooks and try things just to see what would stick While I'm not into mfg. I get it. I used to carry a large amount of inventory. Now, I carry a couple of spares and for warranty purposes and order everything else when needed. While I'd love to have my stuff at the price i used to pay, because I no longer need the space i had, I'm still saving money even though it costs me more per unit (though it helps that I'm doing new houses so i was able to adjust pricing accordingly).

There's half a dozen recent threads where this is discussed on the Smarthome sub-forum. The second post there has Michel's response. Regardless, until it happens it will only be hope and speculation

A developer would need to have an API for it to develop a Node server for it. Due to time and effort, they most likely would want a public API so they don't need to constantly fight to keep up with the mfg making changes that breaks the Node server. The more information you provide (such as getting the API) the greater the chance someone may make one. Popular demand helps as well. While you may be willing to pay for it, they probably would want more people willing to pay to make it worth the investment.

Home assistant forum is the best place to ask this question. Its their software

In addition to being UDI's future controller You have more options with polisy to work with insteon Isy=2413s Polisy= 2413s, 2413u, 2448a7

There was a specific line for the EU and legal frequencies there. New Zealand/Aus, Middle East, etc.

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Everything came from their Irvine location. The few distros, they had, they shipped direct to them from that location

Yes. Factory reset your Isy per the instruction manual (Google ISY factory reset). Then go to the current release sub forum and download the 5.3.4 firmware. Once done, add your devices. Programs are individually unique to a person's lifestyle. The Isy is cayenne of great things. You're only limited by your imagination and skill

They have an extremely small footprint there. Regardless, they also respect our patents/copywriter, etc there so if insteon was copied, whoever did it would be prevented from selling it there as well. In addition, 50-60hz and 270vac is fine but the RF was different for europe