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I figured that. Just letting you know im looking forward to it and so others are aware someone is on it. Does Lutron seem to be more receptive now?

Thanks. All valid points. Sonos, and voice assistants has changed the game.....Big time. It used to be we needed a whole home system to cover every room in the house. Now Sonos and voice assistants covers all of that. I'll still do in ceiling speakers on patios and main areas due to size and clean lines. In secondary spaces such as spare rooms, I'll just put a speaker in there. In LR with 2 story ceilings, I'll try to hide multiple Sonos speakers around the room so they're heard but not seen. There are some really good diy people out there such as yourself where installed systems would be an issue (why I wouldn't use one myself that i couldn't manage). We want the control that we wouldn't have. Additional programming changes and troubleshooting has always been an issue with customers. I have extra programming built into my price and customers have the ability to sign a service contract with discounted pricing to minimize sticker shock for those 1 off changes. It's helped mitigate that some. Programming C4 is actually pretty easy once you know the system. It's the same as the Isy for the most part in regards to difficulty. In some ways it's easier because of how things are segregated. I'm hoping polisy ends up with ra3 support. It would be great for a lower cost solution for those who want a simple lighting system. This would be especially great if @simplextechcan get his Sonos Node server out there.

Yes. Its a night and day difference between the 2. The USB stick was noticeably slower than the PLM and would miss button presses etc. I havent tried the USB stick with the latest firmware yet With the 2413s PLM, 90-95% of the time everything runs perfect. Then out the blue I'll get slowdowns. The isy is receiving the commands. Just execution becomes slow

You only have 1? That's part of the issue. All of these systems really comes down to strength of installer

I'm using 2413s. The USB stick had too many issues for me

I'm a dealer. I get a discount and can program it myself. Why do you feel it's overpriced and overly complicated? I can't speak on your issues but any installer based system will be expensive. It sounds like the installer didn't properly gauge your needs and pushed a lot of options that you probably didn't need (happens often) At the end of the day, you're paying someone to do the work and the cost adds up. Commercial jobs even moreso due to the rules and regulations vs residential. In addition, due to the nature of commercial work, an installer will put more into what a job needs to ensure stability and robustness to minimize callbacks and downtime for the client. This can raise costs significantly. On the outside looking in, you may feel it's overpriced but depending on what they did, you could've lost more with a poor install that saved you money on the front end. I don't do commercial jobs but I've seen the typical markup be 30-50% higher than the same installation in a residential home. C4 is actually one of the cheaper options. Savant, homeworks and Creston makes it look like a bargain (especially Crestron) ?.

It's working for me on my phone and laptop using firefox

Here we go again with the shots. If you took time to actually read for comprehension you'd see no one was bashing anything. Sharing concerns about how a product works isn't bashing. Its through debate that we innovate and improve. If no one questions anything then nothing improves and grows. So what that youve upgraded your tvs a few times! How does that compare to upgrading a multitude of devices on a regular basis? If their firmware upgrades are done in the background and automatically, I think it would be great as going around to manually push updates to each device can be time consuming to the point where people probably won't do it. Thats a concern as we all know how people are. Even windows do it automatically because people won't update manually on their own. Me expressing that isn't bashing.. I talk to multiple people each day about home automation and what they're looking to get out of it in their homes. I keep up with the trends to stay ahead of things as I do look to expand my offerings to my clientele to a certain degree. Those conversations are what i base alot of my opinions on vs a bubble which is solely my home or a family member's home. I simply said I'm hard pressed to see people on a large scale wanting to do certain things. Bashing it would've been me saying how bad, terrible, and worthless the devices were. Or how crazy they are for making it, don't know what they're doing, etc.....sorta like you do with hue, insteon, and other stuff. None of which i did. The product is probably good/great for certain people and I hope it succeeds as the more options out there means the more options people have.

I plan to use radio ra3 with polisy if it supports it by the time my house is built. If not, I'm going to use it with Control4.

You are absolutely correct about that. I always question people who rip out devices to go with something different due to the issues they were having. I say that because all of them have their strengths and weaknesses. The key is to maximize their strength while minimizing your exposure to their weaknesses. I've gone in people houses to fix systems and have found insufficient network build outs, poor environments for device type chosen, and simply substandard design. Those same people trashed the product themselves vs their handy work.

I was thinking about sonoff devices that needed tasmoto. Thanks for the correction and clarity. While I still wouldn't use it with my company, I'm still curious to see standard consumer/cable routers handle a large installation of them.

I hate to say it but probably not. Since you're using the Isy with it, I'd recommend mixing with zwave to fill it out

GitHub isn't scary. Viruses are which can be embedded in many different links. If you don't know that by now not much i can say towards that. As a new user, I just don't know who you are to trust strange links. Power user or not, most people aren't interested in those hurdles. If that was the case, they'd already be jumping aboard vs avoiding it. I never said most would be installing 70+ devices. I specifically described someone desiring to do a whole home vs 3 or 4 devices. In my example, I used an avg size which is approximately 30 devices and a larger home which would require approximately 70. With that said, why go through what you have to go through for 3 or 4 devices when you can purchase 3 or 4 standard kasa devices already ready to go and with a better looking app (though it's not needed since the context of the conversation was using it with Isy/polisy)

I don't open links from strangers so i don't know what it says. You're comparing what a business has access to (and can afford to automate) to the avg home owner which probably do not have the ways or means to set something like that up

Gotta love how someone who rails against people being smart does the same thing at every opportunity they get. I guess I shouldn't expect much with someone who thinks routers existed 40 years ago and would still work with modern wifi devices 20-40 years later.

With just a few years left on their patents, and their history, I can't see anyone really wanting to resurrect insteon. I love the product but even if i could afford to buy them out, it wouldn't be worth it's asking price unless it was low 6 figures. Even then, it would be difficult due to their history. Banks and investors probably won't be as lenient with terms. Let's say hypothetically he'd sell at 1mil. The bank would require 30% (300k). With a dirt name, you'd still have to come up with at least a mil for startup costs (and that's working from your garage selling on eBay and Amazon). The only market you (not you personally) would have, is existing users. After they intially stock up, would you sell enough to pay back investors and your loan quickly enough to stay in business? Im using simplified numbers and scenario to explain myself as I think he's asking for much more than that. The patents are worth more but not the business which is the conundrum their in and why I can see them just letting it die off completely vs selling it for pennies on the dollar to someone else

I wasn't saying you were implying anything. Just voicing my opinion why I don't see adoption happening in that manner. Regardless of how consumer ready something may appear to be, the more steps involved, the less likely it'll become adopted. Look at the polls and metrics for Amazon echo. With all they've added to it in regards to routines, most people still only turn things on, off, dim, and play music. This shows people have no interest in doing extra. Most will grab their phone to see who's at the door vs using their fire stick and tv that's already on and right in front of them because they don't realize that they can. Ubiquiti is enterprise grade though they play in the consumer/prosumer space. I have their wifi pro access points and they work great. However, what it took to configure it on my DMP, I just don't see most people doing that. Not that it's hard but it's more steps than most would want to take. That's not even including the cost of the system, running wires, and mounting the access points. Personally, I'm not sure why we are so focused on what protocol HAS to win. The market is big enough for multiple protocols and they each serve their own purpose with their own strengths and weaknesses. Wifi for small setups and zwave/ZigBee for larger/true automation. My hope is that UDI can integrate with Radio Ra3 as I plan on using that next whether it's with polisy or C4. If i didn't have access to the resources that i do, I'd probably swap to Ra2 keypads and hue bulbs for everything else.

It's really nothing major. Just basic if sensor is switched on turn lights on. I use zwave sensors (dome) to an insteon switch. There's been no rhyme or reason for the slow down. Sometimes it's so fast I'm amazed and others I've turned the light on as the program starts to run.

There's a guy on eBay that does plms but i don't know about regular devices. I'm one to replace a failed device vs try to fix so it's not something I ever looked into

My polisy has been slower than my Isy stuff. With this still being alpha/beta, I've chalked it up to that. They're times when things run extremely fast and others extremely slow. I think it will get better in time. One thing I did notice is with the PLM USB stick. Communication from devices is much slower along with missed signals.

Nothing in the diy space outside of ebay

Submit a proper support ticket directly to universal devices as that is the most expeditious way to get up and running properly

They've already shut down

Already discussed https://forum.universal-devices.com/topic/35676-smarthome-forum-appears-to-be-offline/

It's less about the feature (people know it's there) and more about how it happened and to fix. With kpls, you can manually disable/enable it. Just strange it came about in a standard dimmer for no reason. Especially since the Isy doesn't support enabling it (not a feature I ever use so I've never tried the kpls manual steps myself so i don't know if it would work).