lilyoyo1

You can always run your isy I'm tandem with polisy so that you have ir control. Harmony hub based remotes can still be easily found as well allowing you to use the Harmony nodeserver to accomplish the same thing

What is the firmware AND UI of your isy? Did you follow the steps to get it added? Click on the nodeserver in the store for directions

What model is showing in your admin console? Also what is your ISY firmware AND UI

Some can but not all. Unfortunately it depends on make, model, and firmware the switch has along with your firmware/UI... Generally devices that are capable of being scene controllers can be set up this way. Otherwise you'd need programs to link them together

Leviton has many different switch options so your models along with Isy firmware and UI would be welcomed so we could assist

Approval by the FDA has absolutely nothing to due with liability and lawsuits. If that was the case, most of all medical lawsuits wouldnt exist. The equipment used can and will become part of the case.

We can go back and forth but unless it's done (or you speak to a lawyer which I've done), it's a moot point. If you feel you're correct, why don't you pursue it? You'd make a lot of money from reselling your own design.

You're right, you're not a lawyer but do you have one on retainer? If so, you should probably ask them. Feel free to use mine if you don't know one. Her name is Faith Fox. I can dm you her info if you need it. I'm glad you bought up medical reprocessing. The key word is here "reprocessing" which is not what we were talking about. Nice try though. 2 completely different situations and subjects. Had you or upstate said refurbish old units to resell, I'd completely agree.but you didn't. His idea was to build new ones and use old chips from bad units. It is completely legal to refurbish equipment. However, where it crosses the line is them taking those same parts, making their own chassis and rebranding it. That would then become illegal and subject them to lawsuits. While I may not be an Electronics design engineer, I was an O.R nurse in my younger years and my wife is a physician. In addition, a friend of mine owns a company that does exactly as you say. His company is called US Medical Systems based out of Ft. Mill, SC. US healthcare having alot of money isn't why reselling doesn't happen more often here. Hospitals and doctors offices are like any other business in that they generally look for the cheapest cost like any other business (unless a physician or surgeon wants something specific... especially surgeons). It's the legalities associated with refurbished equipment and the liabilities behind it. Legally, it's what law requires locally to federal in regards to the use/re-use of medical equipment. Liability wise, it's about what happens should something go wrong. With lawsuits, no one is about to take a chance on a 3rd party refurbished infusion pump. Saving a couple grand isn't worth the millions a single lawsuit could bring due to giving someone the incorrect dosage of something. You feel having a schematic for something makes it legal which it does not. The legalities start where the permission ends. You even stated yourself, the end goal was to sell their ICs to the companies making plms. That's where the permission comes into play. Just like UDI tried to do, they still needed to purchase the chips from insteon...Since they didn't get permission, they could not sell their creation.. Just because some companies operate their businesses certain ways does not mean their way is open for every business. Yes Arduino allows you to build your own cpu. But try reselling it and calling it an Arduino. See how quickly you get a letter in the mail. It comes down to the permissions given. If you think a 15 year old schematic of a chassis gives you permission to do as you state, why don't you? You'd make a lot of money.

Yes they did..WITH PERMISSION and with the understanding that they would be selling the chips to them not UDI buying old units to pull chips from. That is the key where you go from a completely legal act to an illegal one that could potentially cost you millions.

That's completely different. The surpreme court already ruled that selling a purchased item does not infringe on any patents. Buying a PLM, taking the chip out of it and reselling it as your own module does infringe on copyright law. Using your analogy, taking that same Toyota with a new muffler and trying to resell it by calling it Eleanor will cost you. IP laws are very clear on the matter. A simple 2 minute search can educate you (or a lawyer on retainer)

If that was the case, don't you think UDI would have done so with their own PLM? Building an assembly and buying chips directly from them to sell (with permission) isn't the same as buying old parts and reselling with your own assembly (without permission). Using your logic, I can buy a bottle of head & shoulders, put it in my own container and resell as my own product. As I said before, go for it and try to sell without permission.

I'm not going to debate you. A 5 minute google search will show how wrong you are. Any lawyer will tell you about copyright law. But again- feel free to go for it.

If you think so, go right ahead. Let us know how that works out for you.

You would simply use ir. Program your denon to the hub and control it. Depending on what you're trying to accomplish that would meet your needs with the least amount of work.

That is blatantly incorrect. You would clearly be violating patent and copyright law in doing so. Granted, if you did it for yourself only, they would never know. Should you attempt to sell any, you would be in violation That would be like me saying i could get away with buying a bunch of iphones, pulling their chips out and making my own phone with them.

Path of least resistance would be to get a Harmony hub/remote off eBay and use the Harmony nodeserver

Try removing both devices from the scene. Add the zwave device first, configure, and then re-add sensor

I suspect not enough users need the feature enough to warrant adding it. Most likely you'd want to keep your Isy separate from polisy if it's that important vs running everything on a single box

Is this truly the older 2842 sensor or newer 2844 sensor

Click on the controller in the scene itself

What does the controller setup look like?

I'm sure it'll improve. How the Isy works with zwave now is infinitely better than earlier firmwares

It'll probably be easier for him if you post your error so he doesn't have to go digging through other threads

You're confusing the mesh network communication with a device level capability. The same with insteon, adding a device is different than communicating with a device. For example, your newer 700 series device processors will make your 500 series controller seen faster because they work quicker but that doesn't mean your 500 series is communicating at a faster pace. The devices themselves simply work better.

You're confusing nwi with something different. Nwi is device based so as long as devices support it, then it will work (not all devices support nwi). This is why some people with 500 series devices still can't use nwi. If you were to remove all of your 500 series devices and tried nwi from a distance with your 300 series devices, you'll find it doesn't work A similar thing can be seen with battery powered devices. 500/700 series devices would last longer regardless of what series controller is used simply because improvements that led to it are device based vs controller based.