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What scenes are they currently controlling? You are right that they can only be a controller for one scene, but based on what you have posted you only need one scene to make each one work, and it should be configured as Rand has stated. If you create additional scenes and make them responders, this would work as well...but not nearly as neatly as he has shown here. I would also double check to make sure that your programs are turning off and on the scene as he has said...this one caught me before. If you directly reference the device in your program, the KPL buttons will not update. A and B are a bit tougher as Rand said but I would just create an All On scene and add all the devices and their KPL buttons to it as responders. This takes care of turning everything on (or off) when you press Button A or B. You then have to create a scene with just that button (either A or as a responder (no controller necessary) and then use a program that checks the status of each device to see if it "Is Not Off" Then Set Scene ButtonALight On for example: If Status Light1 Is Not Off And Status Light2 is Not Off And Status Light3 is Not Off Then Set Scene KPLButtonALight On Else Nothing Hopefully I make sense with this...if not, I will try and be more clear with another post. Eric

Not for sure without seeing your other program but my guess would be that ISY is evaluating the condition of the program you posted above because the state of the Motion Sensor changes. Since the other part of the condition is not true (the time) it see's the condition as false ane executes the Else statements which turn your lights off. Once it turns the lights off...your other program turns them back on again. Eric

I can't help much except that I thought I remember reading about a similar problem and it turned out the person was trying to install the firmware for the ISY-26 rather than the 99...are you sure you have the right file? Just a thought...

You can do it either way it depends on what your final desired outcome is. Seperate scenes for each light level will leave the individual keypads off that are not being used. What I mean is that if you do it with one scene and have say 3 different buttons each to control a different light level, then all of the buttons will light whenever any of them are on. If you don't want that (let's say you only want the one to light that sets the level) then you should use seperate scenes for each one. As far as controlling from a button on the same KPL (called a "secondary button" the load controlling button is the primary). You can do this, but you can not set a specific on level for that button. The on level will be whatever it is set to for the scene itself. I hope that makes sense...if not, I will try a better example. Eric

You have to remove it re-add it as Michel said...but to answer the second part of your question: Each device can only be a controller of ONE scene. One place (and there are others) that you would use it as a Responder is let's say you have a scene with two switchlinks in a 3-way configuration (top and bottom of basement stairs to conrol stairway light for example). In this instance both switches are controllers for that scene. Now, you create another scene that is All Basement Lights and you have a keypad in your hallway that you want to be the controller for that scene. When you add the basement stairs light switches to that scene, you can ONLY add it as a responder since those switches are already controllers for your stairs scene, but this is OK since you only want the stairs light "respond" to the All Basement Lights scene...not control it.

I actually have a couple 6 button keypads running in 8 button mode. It works fine...you press the side of the top and bottom buttons that you want. I have custom labels in each one that show what each side does. There is no way to make a direct link control that allows you to hold down two buttons at once on a keypadlink that I am aware of....but putting the keypad in 8 button mode as Michel has said is a viable option. In fact, one of the places I have done this is beside my bed with a tabletop housing and 6 button keypad. The top button controls the lights, the left side is one scene at a brighter level for reading, the right side is a different scene at a dimmer level for "other" stuff. I rarely use the right side anymore! Eric

Using #3 it will add the device the are adding, but it will leave any links that that device has in it's links table intact. This is likely the reason it is taking so long, because ISY is "spidering" you network for the links it finds in the device (see below link to the Wiki). I don't ever do this, because I want all links that a device has to be done through ISY. To try and clairfy: 1. Remove existing links This will remove the links that are present IN the device you are adding. It will not effect any of the links you have already created in ISY, only the ones that might be present in the device you are adding. This is preferred by me, because like I said I want all link to get created by ISY... In fact, I normally do a factory reset on a device before I link it to be sure it is empty and clean. 2. Add devices found in links and remove existing links This will add any devices that ISY finds referrenced in the device you are adding to ISY device tree. Not likely what you want, since it may referrence a device that you don't have installed. Once done, it clears all the links from the device. 3. Add devices found in links and keep existing links This keeps the links found in the device you are adding, again...not likely what you want since the links may be to devices you don't have installed. As I said, Option 1 is what I always use. There are cases where you might want to select one of the others, but honestly it is much easier for me to install the device fresh (clean of all links) and create the links through ISY. Checkout the wiki here for more info: http://www.universal-devices.com/mwiki/index.php?title=ISY-99i/ISY-26_INSTEON:Adding_a_Device Thanks. Eric

This is normal. You have to "air gap" the switch after changing settings that are "applied locally". Pull the setup button out...wait 5 to 10 seconds and push it back in until it's flush (don't hold it in). Eric

Your best best is to start with the Wiki...there is a lot of information in there that will help you get started. http://www.universal-devices.com/mwiki/index.php?title=Main_Page Particularly in the How To section: http://www.universal-devices.com/mwiki/index.php?title=ISY-99i/ISY-26_INSTEON:How-To_Guide Once you get the basics, then it will be easier to ask some questions here that we can help you with. One question before you go to far is this: When you started linking, did you leave the setting that says "Remove Existing Links"? It does not sound like it based on your comment about the 3-way virtual switch. The problem you will have is that if you created the link outside of ISY, then ISY is not "aware" of the link and you wont see it in the console anywhere.

No, you don't have to restore it from ISY. Just pull the gap...wait a few seconds then push it back in FLUSH, not all the way in. (pushing it in all the way does a factory reset if you hold it...you dont want that). No need to do anything from ISY at that point...it will take the new setting.

I am not sure I understand how you are trying to use the KPL to say if it is a problem or not. If you are trying to control the load on a KPL from a secondary button on that KPL, I don't think it will work like you are wanting...but I would have to test. I believe if you do this in a scene then whenever you press the secondary button (in your case A) then the load will react with it's "Applied Locally" on level and ramp rates. I could be wrong though on this...so hopefully someone else will jump in. As far as the SLD that doesn't accept the local rate and level changes, you have to cycle the power to the switch to get it to re-read that change (called pulling an air gap with the little set button). I don't know if you knew that or not. KPL's will accept the change directly, but SLD's need to be powered down. Thanks.

Through programming in the ISY you could, but every blink would be insteon traffic (on command, off command, on command, etc.) and may not be the best thing...though it could be done I guess. Eric

That's not the way it works... If the folder conditions are not true, the program will not run.

I am assuming you have conditions on the folders that you have your programs in (midnight, sunrise, etc.). If the folder condition is NOT true then any programs within that folder can not be run...even manually.

I don't think it would reset the password...it shouldn't. I have a 99i, so I am sure what might be different on the 26. Did you have a recent firmware already when you did the update? The reason I ask is that I know if you are on early versions you have to upgrade in couple of steps. Beyond my help I am afraid. Hopefully someone else will jump in and help. The only thing I would try (assuming you have a backup) is a factory reset. Not sure about the 26 (you can search here to find out how to do a factory reset on it) but on the 99i it is hold in the reset button for 10 seconds. Sorry I couldn't be more help.

Perhaps did it somehow reset to the default password? I can't remember what it was, but it should be somewhere in the docs on here. Did you clear your Java Cache and such after the install? Can't see that as the problem really...but maybe. I'm guessing you already tried a reboot?

Glad you got it worked out... In my job I deal with a lot of salespeople...to me No means maybe if you lower the price!

Damn...I don't know how I missed that all this time! Thanks Guys... If Status 'Kpl.Fyr.G.Apt Occupied' is On Or Status 'Kpl.Dng.G.Apt Occupied' is On Or Status 'Kpl.Mbr.G.Apt Occupied' is On Then - No Actions - (To add one, press 'Action') Else - No Actions - (To add one, press 'Action') Works great!

It's a shame about the price. I would get them, but I have 9 heating zones, and 2 A/C zones, with one of them on the same thermostat as a heat zone - so that would be 10 thermostats if I wanted to do them all. It wouldn't make much sense to me to only do some of them. Every room in my house has its own thermostat which is 7-day programmable. It would be a nice convenience to be able to adjust the programming of all of them from my computer - but not at that cost! Jim H. $1,600 for you to have cool ISY access to your 10 thermostats seems a bit steep to you does it? I was just thinking...if you have 10 stats now, all programmable and let's say that you adjust those programs 4 times a year (probably less). If it takes you 5 minutes to program each stat, thats: (10 * 5 * 4) / 60 = 3.3 hours Figure your time is worth $25/hr (I think I'm worth more, but my wife figures I am worth much less...I don't know about you). 3.3 * 25 = $82.50 per year On a $1,600 investment that's a 19.3 year payback. I guess you're right...it's a bit steep. Sorry...couldn't resist. reakhavok: Mike answered already, but yes what you said is correct. As long as you are OK with doing it through ISY (which means ISY has to be on and running for it to happen, like all of ours are I assume) then buying the 1 day stat will work perfectly for you. Eric

I notice that some users are able to post fairly descent looking programs in the forum here, usually in green colored text. Am I missing something? I can't figure out how to copy a program out of the Admin console to paste into a message here on the forum. Is it possible, or are you guys just really good at typing the program as it looks in the console? Thanks. Eric

Ah...The old Trash-80...those were the days. 4k of ram, 1.77mhz of blinding speed. Cassette tapes and a beautiful black and white tv as a monitor! Hang in there on this, you will get it figured out. Based on the fact that you kept the existing links, I would say you are right a total restart is probably best. I am sure there is some factory reset or something, but I don't think you need that. Here's what I would do (and what I did when I started...as I did the same thing as you, but with less devices). In this order: Make a backup of what you have now, just in case for some reason you want to go back to it. On the menu, click on "file", then click "Backup ISY", give it a file name so you will know that it is your original program (like "ISY Backup, Screwed Up Mess I started With.zip ) Remove any programs that you have created first. Highlight the program, right click then click on "Remove" then click "Yes" on the "confirmation prompt" that appears. Remove all the scenes from ISY. Highlight the scene in the tree, right click and click on "Remove" then click "OK" at the "confirmation prompt" that appears. Remove all the devices from ISY. Highlight the device in the tree, right click and click on "Remove" then click OK at the "confirmation prompt" that appears. Everything should be deleted from ISY now and it is sitting there empty dumb and happy. At this point you can choose to make another backup which some people like to do in order to have "clean slate". If they ever wanted to start over again they simply restore the backup and this effectively wipes the system clean again. If you want to do this follow the steps above for the initial backup, but give it a different filename ( ie. ISY Backup, Empty Dumb and Happy.zip) Now, simply put ISY in link mode again by clicking on the menu "Link Management" then click on "Start Linking". This is the important part: In the box that pops up leave the setting of "Remove Existing Links" as it is. This way, ISY will remove all the links that each device has stored in it's memory before linking to it. This way, you will use ISY later to create the links and ISY will then know about the links in each device and work perfectly. Then go around and initiate linking on your devices (I assume you already know how to do this, as you have done it before). Linking a lot of devices can take a while to process. Some people maybe do them all at once so they can walk away and leave it to it's work, but for me it was easier to do only a few at a time. I would get a few devices linked, then come back to the computer and click on "Cancel" to initialize those units. That way I could rename the devices as I went so I didn't have to keep a long list. By the way, I never liked the word "Cancel" here...kind of makes it seem like you are quiting the process, when in fact you are really just saying "I am done with the linking, so ahead and initialize" but that is what it says. ISY will put the devices in the tree in the order in which you link them. So then you go in and highlight the device, right click and click on "Rename" then give it a name that you want. I think the naming convention is important, so you can organize your stuff better and know what you have. Everyone has a different preference so I wont go to deep into it, but since the length of the device name is limited (you get a boatload in the new beta firmware version though, so this should be a problem anymore...however it is limited to 26 characters that will display fully in the tree). I do think putting something in the name of th device to specify the device type, as well as whether it directly controls a load or not is a good idea. For me, I used 3 characters for the device type (sld for dimmers, kpl for keypads, etc.) then 3 characters for the room (lvg for living room, mst for master bedroom, etc.) then a name (ceiling light, lamp, etc.) followed by an L if it is a load control. So for example: "Sld.Lvg.Ceiling Light (L)" tell me that it is a switch linc dimmer in the living room controlling the ceiling light and it is hardwired to the light. Once you have linked your devices, if you want to you can go in and do another backup before you create any Scenes. This way you have another file that includes all the devices, but has no links setup. If you ever want to start over, you could restore this backup and all your devices will be in there and you just restore the devices to wipe out their links and start over. I suspect you already know how to create Scenes so I wont go into that...but that would be the next step. On your program problems, I suspect Michel is right and you did not save the programs as you made them. Once you get the If-Then stuff in there you want (and your example was fine, should work) then you must click on the "Save Changes" button at the bottom left. The little green arrow by each program will disappear and ISY will start running that program and watching for changes in the If portion. I like to backup often, just in case...so I always recommend taking a backup once in a while as you go along and surely once you are done. Hey...long winded reply, but you asked for a "step by step" and being an old Trash-80 user myself...I thought I would try and help! One last thing: These guys at UDI are the best I have seen for support. The response in this forum is fantastic...and as Michel said, you can call them on the phone and they will walk you through it. Heck, they will even connect to your system and help solve problems directly. Not only that, but the user community here is very willing to jump in and help as well. Stick with it, you will get it for sure. I was D-Student myself Eric

I have one as well and it works perfectly. I did have an issue with it at first, but it turned out to be a bad unit. Smarthome promptly replaced it (as they have with anything I have had trouble with). As Mike said, you have to setup status queries on it. I was new to Insteon and ISY then so I had trouble getting it to work just how I wanted until I shamelessly copied the ones he posted here...then it was easy! I have alerts setup on mine as I am sure everyone does (if it too cold, etc.) but I really like is being able to check my "occupied" status and set the temperature back when nobody is in there...the kids left the old one up all the time. In addition, being able to query humidity has been handy for me as well, I have a lot of computer equipment running in one area and being able to control humidity with the antique AC unit I have up there has been helpful here in middle Georgia. I do agree with Gary...the price is a bit insane, but for me it has been worth it. I bought the 1 day programable version ($160) and then just did the programming in ISY to set temperatures to what I need, when I need it. There is something you should be aware of, if you intend to want to use the programming feature built in to the thermostat, there are some quirks with it...not being able to return to program mode after a temperature change from Insteon etc. I don't know anything about that, but I remember reading about here somewhere...so if that is important to you, maybe someone else can jump in. Eric

Installed and all looks good here as well. Eric

Let me be the first to say: Upgraded and running fine (so far)! Thanks for all your support and service. I have never had such great support from a company as you guys give here. Keep up the great work! Thanks. Eric

Thanks for the info zyll, I will check that out as well. I have found everything I need to get for the Elk...right around $1,100 without buying any sensors, so a bit on the high side. Eric