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I also have a 1.5 hp unit and I found no ready-made solution under hundreds of dollars. Being an old controls guy I had a few mercury wetted relays I salvaged from some automated testboards, went and bought a pvc box, installed a receptacle in it and hung a plug out of a drilled hole. Now I can plug in any module I want and stick the plug into the bottom that runs the relay coil. I am hoping to post some photos of it but I can never figure out how to post photos on this forum.

If a contactor is used it will require some kind of enclosure and wiring. A simple MOV across the coil will usually be enough.

My first go 'round was the same using an X10 remote keyfob and a TW751? wireless receiver. It turned the dust collector on and then well, I had to unplug it as it never turned off again. Welded the contacts. After lots of research looking for the old heavy duty X10 modules and researching the dust collector switches linked to, I found those premaid units were only capable of handling a very small dust collector inder 1 hp, I hooked a fresh TW751 into a 60amp mercury wetted relay that I knew could handle the surge. First turn on worked well and then the off...bang!. The counterEMF from the contactor coil blew the second TW751 inside and it never worked again.. Third try I used another TW751, same configuration, but placed good 20Kj MOV across the rely coil. Works well now but the TW751 stops responding to the X10 remote when on sometimes. A walk across the shop to press the On/Off button is required occasionally.

Just to clarify an important difference in control vs status. Status will trigger an evaluation of the program If logic each time a status change happens. Control will trigger an evaluation of the program If logic each time a control signal happens. IOW: When you switch a light on, currently off, from a SwitchLink, a status change happens and a control signal happens. When you switch a light on, currently on, from a SwitchLink, no status change happens but a control signal happens.

Just as a matter of interest. I went into The Source (Canada's old Radio Shack chain) and had a look at the old Insteon On/Off module for heavy duty appliances. Yup 1800 watts max, except for one thing. That is for heaters almost exclusively resistive.... 480 watts incandescent load max. No motor rating period. Again. Breakers have overload surge ratings, contacts on switches and relays do not. This was always a problem for Engineers in the electrical distribution industry. Busbar always had overload ratings but the contacts on the breakers spec'ed an absolute limit.

Without a MS in place the other way is to have a manual on program hat disables the automatic program with the timeout. I still use an off timer in my manual override programs but set it for a few hours so lights do not get left on permanently and automatic methods are not disabled permanently. Program Manual_override If Control of switch is On Control of switch is NOT Off <--- puts mode manually back in auto via else Then Disable automagic program Set Light 100% Wait 2 hours Run (else) Manual_override program Else Set Light Off Enable automagic program Run (then/if) automagic program <----could set up lighting to original levels instead of Off line above. Stu has too many EXes! He needs a lot of motion sensors!

Here are two designed for the job options. Note that these are for light duty devices, which I believe you are using. For heavy duty dust collectors like 1.5 to 2 hp motors the price escalates into the hundreds of dollars. Note these devices have a run-on delay timer to keep the device running (stable) after the power tool shuts off. No wiring to do, no specs to research and much cheaper in the long run. http://www.leevalley.com/en/wood/page.aspx?p=67020&cat=1,42401,72660 http://www.leevalley.com/en/wood/page.aspx?p=63013&cat=1,42401,72660

No! The Insteon units mentioned are rated for only resistive loads and they clearly state that. You loads are motors and the Locked Rotor Amps rating is usually not disclosed on home appliances. Note the ApplianceLinc module was discontinued. Your motor loads require much heavier devices as the starting currents (and/or LRA) are probably in the range of 20-40 amperes. The constant running current is not the problem for a closing and opening contact. Breakers, fuses, and contactors are rated to take short term surges that a motor creates. Closing relay contacts used in these Insteon devices cannot handle this and will destroy themselves. Read the device specs, but.... It's your money.

No Insteon device is going to run your dust collector system. I have never heard of a dust collector under 1 hp. I have one with a 1.5hp motor and run it using an X10 rf receiver module that runs a 60A mercury wetted contactor. These units, when starting up, draw high currents in the 30-50 ampere range and Appliance module contacts will just vaporise. When shutting off a running motor the regeneration of the sinning motor will arc across the resistive load contacts and just weld them together. It may work once or twice if you are lucky. You need arc and spike suppression circuitry and fast break contacts rated for motor loads. This is why the commercial units are hundreds of dollars and more for 2hp rated units.

Just a layout error from guessing. It wasn't copied from my ISY. If you read and understand my first post with the three programs you will find you can adjust the scene so that your lights will not come on even with a scene linking the MS and lights directly. Here's the scenario. You walk in and turn the lightswitch on, locking it on. You walk through the motion sensor area and it triggers the light on at the same level of brightness. You don't even notice. You walk out of the room and the program that turns off the light isn't running because the manual override program has disabled it. The light stays on forever or until the override "lest you forget" timer times out You turn off the manual override and the light turns off. Now your MS program works again. You use the third program and set the level of the scene to 0 during the day. You walk into the MS area and the scene turns the light on to 0 brightness. Does it make a difference? The user doesn't see it.

OK I'll try to start out simple and add from there. You will not be able to do any dimming if you already have the MS and your lights in a scene. This is now out of ISY's hands but there is a way to do it as described in my other post above. You didn't say what didn't work for you. Get rid of the first two programs They aren't needed with your bottom one added. Take out lines that refer to them I added a fail safe 2 hour timer in case you forget the lights are in override. Watch the parenthesis placements. They are important. Your MS needs to be set to never send Off. Kitchen Cabinet Motion - [iD 0014][Parent 000A] If Control 'Kitchen / Motion-Sensor' is switched On Then Disable Program 'Kitchen Cabs ON?' Set 'Kitchen / Kitchen Cabinets' 75% <------- this doesn't work 'cause MS scene will keep changing level without ISY Wait 5 minutes Set Scene 'Kitchen / Kitchen Motion Night Light' Off Else - No Actions - (To add one, press 'Action') ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Kitchen Cab Switch Override - [iD 000D][Parent 000A] If ( Control 'Kitchen / Kitchen Cabinets' is switched Fast On Or Control 'Kitchen / Kitchen Cabinets' is switched On Or Control 'Kitchen / Kitchen Cabinets' is switched Fade Up Or Control 'Kitchen / Kitchen Cabinets' is switched Fade Down ) AND Control 'Kitchen / Kitchen Cabinets' is NOT switched Fast Off <---these run Else for Fast Off & Off AND Control 'Kitchen / Kitchen Cabinets' is NOT switched Off Then Disable Program 'Kitchen Cabinet Motion' Wait 2 hours Set Scene 'Kitchen / Kitchen Motion Night Light' Off <-----lest yee forget with usual automatic Enable Program 'Kitchen Cabinet Motion' Else Set Scene 'Kitchen / Kitchen Motion Night Light' Off <----turn the light and scene off from switch too Enable Program 'Kitchen Cabinet Motion'

I have several Cree bulbs that worked flawlessly at first but after a few month began to flicker somewhat when dimmed certain levels.

Now that your thinking logic fog is clearing it is easy to see how this can be simplified back into one program, if desired. Lighted Entry - [iD 0003][Parent 0001] If From Sunset To Sunrise (next day) And Status 'Garage Door-Sensor' is not On And Elk Zone 'Garage Door' is Violated Then Set Scene 'Entry Light' Fast On Wait 15 minutes Set Scene 'Entry Light' Fade Down Wait 5 seconds Set Scene 'Entry Light' Fade Stop Else - No Actions - (To add one, press 'Action').

Would ISY re-ask for an IP address if the router is slower booting and ISY didn't get one on boot-up? In the case it didn't rebooting the router may work. Do you have remote access to the router?

You need all three to perform #1 basic on/off functions, #2 The manual override = lock on, #3 change brightness for different parts of the day. Substitute your own component names. I have just called these LIGHT, MS and MS/LIGHT for the scene First you need to have a scene, you create in ISY and include your MS as a controller and your kitchen light as a responder. This also assumes you have a main light in the kitchen controlled by a SwitchLink wall switch (connected to the main kitchen cabinet lights) for a manual control, and an MS and you want them both to control the same light. LIGHT.auto (enabled) -------------- If Control MS is switched On Then Wait 45 seconds <---------------make it 5 minutes for a kitchen Run this program (Else Path) <------ turns off the light and displays program as red colour for Admin Console Else Set Scene MS/LIGHT Off Manual override (enabled) ---------------------- If ( Control LIGHT is switched On <---- add other devices to manually override the auto program using 'OR'... 'if On' ) And ( Control LIGHT is not switched Off <-----switching off runs else and stops then <-----add in other manual off devices using 'OR'..... 'is not Off' ) Then Set LIGHT Fast On <----makes it 100% brightness and fast Disable Program 'LIGHT.auto' <-----no more MS activations while in manual control Disable Program 'Light Level adjust' <-----no more auto level changing from program below In Scene 'MS' Set Light to 100% (On Level) <---- further hits on light stays 100%, watch MS name is in scene pulldown Wait 2 hours <------just in case you forget it is in manual Run Program manual override (Else Path) <---jump to else below Else Set LIGHT Off <----------------manual control is over = turn it off Run Program 'Light Level adjust' (If) <----- set the scene dimming levels back dependant on the time of day Wait 1 second <------ let it finish Enable Program 'Light Level adjust' <---- OK now we want the levels to be self adjusting again Enable Program 'LIGHT.auto' <------------- now we want the MS to control the light again Light Level adjust (enabled) ----------------------- If From 10:30:00PM <- pick level change times To 9:30:00AM (next day) Then In Scene 'MS' Set LIGHT 5% (On Level) <----watch the name of the LIGHT not being a scene but in scene pulldown list Else In Scene 'MS' Set 'LIGHT' 70% (On Level) <-----same as above

Here is how I have accomplished this This is the basic MS lamp control program. A scene link between the MS and lamp already exists so the response is immediate. MBR Lamp.auto - [ID 009D][Parent 000A] If Control 'Master Bedroom / Motion.MBR' is switched On Then Wait 45 seconds Run Program 'MBR Lamp.auto' (Else Path) Else Set Scene 'Master Bedroom / MBR Passtrough' Off . . This is the manual override program from a remote. Note I still have a 2 hr. timer to shut off in case you forget and walk away or fall asleep. It also has code to shut down and revive the third Lamp Level Adjust program. MBR Lamp.manual - [ID 0038][Parent 000A] If Control 'Master Bedroom / MBR KeyPad.A' is switched On And Control 'Master Bedroom / MBR KeyPad.A' is not switched Off Then Set 'Master Bedroom / MBR Wall Lamp' Fast On Disable Program 'MBR Lamp.auto' Disable Program 'MBR Lamp Level adjust' In Scene 'Master Bedroom / Motion.MBR' Set 'Master Bedroom / MBR Wall Lamp' 100% (On Level) Wait 2 hours Run Program 'MBR Lamp.manual' (Else Path) Else Set 'Master Bedroom / MBR Wall Lamp' Off Run Program 'MBR Lamp Level adjust' (If) Wait 1 second Enable Program 'MBR Lamp Level adjust' Enable Program 'MBR Lamp.auto' Lamp will get direct hit by MS so adjusted scene level so it can't be noticed. . . Program to adjust levels for different times of the day. A 60W bulb glaring you in the face at 2:00 am is not nice. Note: This system uses three levels of brightness. Manual uses 100%,automatic uses 15% and 70%. MBR Lamp Level adjust - [ID 0084][Parent 000A] If From 10:30:00PM To 9:30:00AM (next day) Then In Scene 'Master Bedroom / Motion.MBR' Set 'Master Bedroom / MBR Wall Lamp' 15% (On Level) Else In Scene 'Master Bedroom / Motion.MBR' Set 'Master Bedroom / MBR Wall Lamp' 70% (On Level)

Did you mean "SecureView"? Does this mean the cam can trigger a variable in ISY via REST? Model number please?

If the camera doesn't have that feature I don't see another method.

There is nothing in a program that causes a folder condition to be evaluated. If a folder contained 15 programs which one would cause reevaluation of the folder logic. Only state variables cause evaluation of usage conditions. The folder condition is only evaluated in advance when triggered from a variable change, not when a program runs.

Change your variable to a state variable and try it. Integer variable changes do not trigger reevaluation.

I doubt that an integer variable would work but I don't use folder logic. The ISY system is not going to continuously evaluate a condition but rather an event has to trigger ISY to evaluate the condition and set the true or false result. I dont know why folder logic work any different than program if logic. I am on mobile right now so I can't easily give you a reference to the wiki or manual.

Should this variable not have to be a state variable to trigger the folder state to false?

I have always had the lights on in the bathroom as a problem since starting HA back in the 70s. When your house has automatic lights everywhere except a few (eg. in the bathroom), guests, especially, can't be expected to remember what lights they turned On and to turn off again. I remember overhearing one of my teenage kids telling his guest, "If you didn't turn it on, then don't turn it off" Polterguests are the worst for that.

ISY and each device must be linked together before they can play together. After linking, if you operate any device ISY will know about it, and also, each device can be operated from ISY manually or by program control.