MarkJames Posted June 2, 2016 Share Posted June 2, 2016 I'm probably having a seniors moment here but maybe someone could refresh my memory. So if I look at a KPL-8, for instance, grouped in my admin console I see all 8 buttons with the meaningful names I gave them. But what happens if I can't see the KPL from where I'm sitting or I've pulled the buttons off it so that I don't know which is which. There was (is?) a place where the interface told me which button was which - if memory serves it used to look like the devices were like ab.cd.ef.1 and ab.cd.ef.2 etc. up to ab.cd.ef.8 Is that still somewhere that I'm not seeing or has that been deprecated? mark Link to comment
Techman Posted June 2, 2016 Share Posted June 2, 2016 Nor sure if this is what you're looking for but the order of the buttons is A B C D E F G H Link to comment
MarkJames Posted June 2, 2016 Author Share Posted June 2, 2016 lol - no, I know that... Once you rename them, though, how can you tell which one is which without looking at your labels? When you first link it it will name it newdevice - A newdevice - B newdevice - C etc But once I change it to Room Light Table Lamp Reading light etc How can I tell which button is, say, A, from the ISY admin panel without looking at the physical KPL. I'm not sure if it was ISY or one of the other platforms I used prior to it that labelled them in the main device list with .1, .2, .3 or maybe it was .a, .b, .c... mark Link to comment
LeeG Posted June 2, 2016 Share Posted June 2, 2016 The Event Trace shows button number. Thu 06/02/2016 12:24:01 PM : [iNST-SRX ] 02 50 1B.57.F8 00.00.06 CB 13 00 LTOFFRR(00) Thu 06/02/2016 12:24:01 PM : [std-Group ] 1B.57.F8-->Group=6, Max Hops=3, Hops Left=2 Thu 06/02/2016 12:24:01 PM : [D2D EVENT ] Event [1B 57 F8 6] [DOF] [0] uom=0 prec=-1 Thu 06/02/2016 12:24:01 PM : [ 1B 57 F8 6] DOF 0 Thu 06/02/2016 12:24:01 PM : [D2D EVENT ] Event [1B 57 F8 6] [sT] [0] uom=0 prec=-1 Thu 06/02/2016 12:24:01 PM : [ 1B 57 F8 6] ST 0 Thu 06/02/2016 12:24:01 PM : [iNST-SRX ] 02 50 1B.57.F8 22.80.0B 41 13 06 LTOFFRR(06) Thu 06/02/2016 12:24:01 PM : [std-Cleanup ] 1B.57.F8-->ISY/PLM Group=6, Max Hops=1, Hops Left=0 Thu 06/02/2016 12:24:01 PM : [iNST-DUP ] Previous message ignored. Link to comment
MarkJames Posted June 2, 2016 Author Share Posted June 2, 2016 Thanks Lee - I was just looking at that.... Didn't the UI used to display it before? I was sure that when you went into the Main tab and clicked on the root node of a KPL it brought up in the main properties window the name with the address and device type as it does now but with a suffix for which button it represented so that when you looked at the load button it would say KPL-GARAGE 0A.AB.1E-1 (2486D) Keypadlinc Dimmer v.2A but when you looked at button B it would say KPL-Driveway 0A.AB.1E-2 (2486D) Keypadlinc Dimmer v.2A Am I imagining this? Link to comment
LeeG Posted June 2, 2016 Share Posted June 2, 2016 I don't remember that. I suspect you are thinking about some other product. Link to comment
MarkJames Posted June 2, 2016 Author Share Posted June 2, 2016 Could be... it would be a nice feature, though. How did you get your button to show in event viewer without writing to it? mark Link to comment
LeeG Posted June 2, 2016 Share Posted June 2, 2016 I pressed the button. I've tried 3.3.10 on a 99i. It does not show button number on the normal UI display of any of the buttons. Link to comment
Techman Posted June 2, 2016 Share Posted June 2, 2016 lol - no, I know that... Once you rename them, though, how can you tell which one is which without looking at your labels? When you first link it it will name it newdevice - A newdevice - B newdevice - C etc But once I change it to Room Light Table Lamp Reading light etc How can I tell which button is, say, A, from the ISY admin panel without looking at the physical KPL. I'm not sure if it was ISY or one of the other platforms I used prior to it that labelled them in the main device list with .1, .2, .3 or maybe it was .a, .b, .c... mark You could append the button letter to the name i.e. Room Light (a), etc. Link to comment
MarkJames Posted June 2, 2016 Author Share Posted June 2, 2016 I suppose... Seems like there *should* be a way to see this directly within ISY, though... mark Link to comment
MarkJames Posted June 2, 2016 Author Share Posted June 2, 2016 I pressed the button. I've tried 3.3.10 on a 99i. It does not show button number on the normal UI display of any of the buttons. lol - direct approach. I was sitting here in the house trying to reconfigure the buttons on a KPL down on my dock. I couldn't remember which button was which as I've changed their functionality quite a bit. I was trying to figure it out without walking down to the dock and either looking at it or - as you did - pressing the button. mark Link to comment
LeeG Posted June 2, 2016 Share Posted June 2, 2016 Where are you using a button number? In the various Program clauses or a Scene the KPL button name is used. Link to comment
MarkJames Posted June 2, 2016 Author Share Posted June 2, 2016 I'm not - I use the button names. It's just for organization. I wanted to make the left button on the second row into a controller for a different scene than it was already assigned to. Without going down and looking at it I didn't know which scene the left button on the second row was already assigned to. I suppose if I'd taken all the buttons off a KPL without noting what they were assigned to it would be a bigger problem - I'd have to reinstall it and press each button individually to figure out which was which. mark Link to comment
stusviews Posted June 2, 2016 Share Posted June 2, 2016 This is what I do when I originally set up a KeyPad: Link to comment
paulbates Posted June 2, 2016 Share Posted June 2, 2016 I understand your dilemma. 3 of mine are in direct view of the computer and I turned their scenes on and off to see which one. The others I wirenuted a cable with a plug, set them up at the computer for full functionality, then go install in their final home. One other idea to do at the beginning is to add prefixes to the key names at configure time: A-Lights, B-Garage door, etc. The AC alphabetizes the devices as they're renamed and that's when they move out of order Paul Link to comment
MarkJames Posted June 2, 2016 Author Share Posted June 2, 2016 This is what I do when I originally set up a KeyPad: The AC alphabetizes the devices as they're renamed and that's when they move out of order Paul Yep - I definitely *could have* or *should have* put a designation of some sort with each of my 160 KPL buttons but you know what they say about hindsight... The alphabetizing is the problem. If there was either a way to turn the alphabetizing off or to have the UI indicate which button is which I think that would be an improvement. Perhaps I'll put this in as a feature request... Link to comment
stusviews Posted June 2, 2016 Share Posted June 2, 2016 The alphabetizing is the problem. If there was either a way to turn the alphabetizing off or to have the UI indicate which button is which I think that would be an improvement. Perhaps I'll put this in as a feature request... Just use a letter or number as the suffix (e.g., Kitchen Light_C) Link to comment
lilyoyo1 Posted June 3, 2016 Share Posted June 3, 2016 That's what I do. I have the name followed by the button letter. Link to comment
paulbates Posted June 3, 2016 Share Posted June 3, 2016 Yep - I definitely *could have* or *should have* put a designation of some sort with each of my 160 KPL buttons but you know what they say about hindsight... The alphabetizing is the problem. If there was either a way to turn the alphabetizing off or to have the UI indicate which button is which I think that would be an improvement. Perhaps I'll put this in as a feature request... Mark I'll support that for sure. I keep saying I'm done implementing keypads, but... As a suggestion, the requirement could be to add menu options when the keys are grouped under Main...Add menu options on the right-click for alpha order, or native (A-B-C) order. Just a thought Paul Paul Link to comment
MarkJames Posted June 3, 2016 Author Share Posted June 3, 2016 Thanks Paul, I've put it in feature requests here http://forum.universal-devices.com/topic/19088-keypadlinc-button-numbers-be-displayed/ Cheers! mark Link to comment
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