INSTEON to Smartthings (Z-Wave) Bridge

[mefree]

So, I use INSTEON with an INSTEON Hub v2 as my primary home automation system with all the switches in my house being INSTEON.  However, for some odd reason, INSTEON refuses to do security properly with no concept of an 'armed away' or 'armed home' type security interface.  Also, the best deadbolts for doors are z-wave.  So I went to SmartThings for the security side of my house, door locks, motion sensors/door contact sensors, etc.  Ideally it would be nice to get the system to interact with one another.  Using multiple Amazon Echo's and Dot's I have really nice voice control, and using a community app called 'Ask Alexa' I can even arm the security system and lock all the doors via Alexa.  What would be ideal however, would be to tell the Echo to run the smartthings routine of 'good night' and somehow the iSY would be capable of knowing that route was ran and proceed to turn off all the INSTEON controlled lights in the house.  This way I can issue one command for everything rather than 2.  I know this seems petty, but I really am going for a 'house of the future' concept here and no single platform can get the job done yet

​So, has anyone accomplished anything like this?  Is there any way for the ISY to detect routines being ran by SmartThings?  Or vice versa?  I'm open to any way to accomplish this, was just throwing out some ideas.  I was hoping someone might have already blazed this trail.

 

Oh, my device is an ISY 944i with the z-wave module, and it is the secondary controller on the z-wave network and has 'learned' all the devices including the smartthings hub on the z-wave network as well as having all INSTEON devices added to it.

[lilyoyo1]

Insteon is not nor is it trying to be a security company which is why it does not present options such as what you are looking for. (short version; Teken will be along soon enough with the additional info I'm to lazy to add)Using any automation controller for security will ultimately prove worthless (hurry up Teken) when needed most.

 

The ISY is a great controller. Unfortunately (depending on how programmed) it will not recognize what another controller does which can affect your system long term. With that said, adding all of your devices to the ISY, programming them properly, and using the ISY portal will allow you to accomplish all that you are doing with your systems currently and give you what you are looking for.

[oberkc]

I use a keypad button to configure the house for "home" or "away" modes.  I suppose that this is like "armed".

 

If you have the ISY, why do you use the hub?  Is that your gateway to the echo?  Much has been written about interfacing the echo directly to the ISY, but this is not a native capability, in my estimation.  I have never been interested in voice commands, so I don't pay much attention to this type of thing.  Check out the sub-forum to see if this could interest you:

 

http://forum.universal-devices.com/forum/115-amazon-echo/

[mefree]

So, I was able to pull this off.  I have smart things send a rest call to the ISY to set a state variable to 1, and a program to kick off when that state variable is set to 1 to trigger a 'good night' scene that turns everything off.  Works great!

[rafarataneneces]

So, I was able to pull this off.  I have smart things send a rest call to the ISY to set a state variable to 1, and a program to kick off when that state variable is set to 1 to trigger a 'good night' scene that turns everything off.  Works great!

 

What happens if I buy Samsung Smart Things and then control a Zigbee light like Osram Lightify??

 

Would I be able to  do this??

 

ISY994 -> Samsung SmartThings -> Zigbee Lights?

 

Ultimately, that is why I am interested in buying a Wink or a Samsung SmartThings so I can have Insteon, Z-Wave (ISY) plus Zigbee (SmartThings or Wink)

 

By doing that then I could use Insteon Dimmers to turn on/off a Zigbee lightbulb, for example.

[Michel Kohanim]

Hi rafaratanenences,

 

It all depends on the level of expertise you have with network protocols and even APIs for SmarThings. It's definitely doable.

 

with kind regards,

Michel

[rafarataneneces]

Hi rafaratanenences,It all depends on the level of expertise you have with network protocols and even APIs for SmarThings. It's definitely doable.with kind regards,Michel

Dear Michael

 

Thanks so much for your answer.

 

Would you say ISY994zw is more powerful than SmartThings

Just like ISY994i is more powerful than Insteon Hub?

 

I decided to buy the Z-Wave Module instead of the SmartThings since you provide great support

[rafarataneneces]

So, I was able to pull this off.  I have smart things send a rest call to the ISY to set a state variable to 1, and a program to kick off when that state variable is set to 1 to trigger a 'good night' scene that turns everything off.  Works great!

Congratulations

 

Is there any way in which you can add a pseudo device and change its status with REST calls?

[Michel Kohanim]

Hi rafarataneneces ,

 

My pleasure. I would say this:

If you are looking for something simple to configure and command/control, then ISY is not the right choice. If you are looking to automate everything and NOT depend on the cloud, then SmarThings is not the right choice.

 

With kind regards,

Michel

[mefree]

So, I was able to pull this off.  I have smart things send a rest call to the ISY to set a state variable to 1, and a program to kick off when that state variable is set to 1 to trigger a 'good night' scene that turns everything off.  Works great![/quote

 

Congratulations

 

Is there any way in which you can add a pseudo device and change its status with REST calls?

 

Setting up a virtual device in smartthings unfortunately doesn't show up in the rest of the zwave network.  Can ISY do virtual devices?  I don't know the ISY very well yet.

[mwester]

The creation of a node server to do something like "virtual devices" is one of the many things on my list of things to finish.  My idea for this is based on timer devices (the fundamental need for a timer being the need to avoid "storms" of activities when you do something from an ISY to trigger a virtual device).  In a nutshell, you would be able to set a timer to trigger an alarm event in a range from zero to n seconds in the future.  For example, a program on the ISY might set that virtual timer to "On" in the same way it sets a light bulb on, and when the pre-determined timer expires, the virtual timer issues an "Off" event that can trigger events in the ISY as if someone turned an Insteon switch off.

 

In it's present incarnation, the timers are working, the alarms are working -- but, alas, I wrote it in Perl so it doesn't fit into the Polyglot node server architecture very well!

 

Nevertheless, it's on my list of things to do, and I still hope to publish it as an example Polyglot node server (as well as providing a pre-packaged node server, of course).

 

Some day...

[rafarataneneces]

The creation of a node server to do something like "virtual devices" is one of the many things on my list of things to finish.  My idea for this is based on timer devices (the fundamental need for a timer being the need to avoid "storms" of activities when you do something from an ISY to trigger a virtual device).  In a nutshell, you would be able to set a timer to trigger an alarm event in a range from zero to n seconds in the future.  For example, a program on the ISY might set that virtual timer to "On" in the same way it sets a light bulb on, and when the pre-determined timer expires, the virtual timer issues an "Off" event that can trigger events in the ISY as if someone turned an Insteon switch off.

 

In it's present incarnation, the timers are working, the alarms are working -- but, alas, I wrote it in Perl so it doesn't fit into the Polyglot node server architecture very well!

 

Nevertheless, it's on my list of things to do, and I still hope to publish it as an example Polyglot node server (as well as providing a pre-packaged node server, of course).

 

Some day...

 

Thanks for your kind work.