Adjust Local On Level

[carealtor]

I want the light in the bathroom (which is operated by an Insteon switch) to work "normally" during the day, but at night, I want it to only come on a little bit.  The program I made doesn't work right because the light comes on full and then dims to the level I want.  I need it to only come on a little bit during the scheduled (nightime) hours.

 

So, tap the switch during the day and it comes full on.  Tap it at night and it only comes on a little bit.

Edited December 4, 2016 by carealtor

[stusviews]

Post your program (right click, Copy to Clipboard).

[G W]

That's pretty easy. Set the on level to the level you want at night and change your program to to go full on during the day.

 

I'm Gary Funk and I approved this message.

[larryllix]

I want the light in the bathroom (which is operated by an Insteon switch) to work "normally" during the day, but at night, I want it to only come on a little bit.  The program I made doesn't work right because the light comes on full and then dims to the level I want.  I need it to only come on a little bit during the scheduled (nightime) hours.

 

So, tap the switch during the day and it comes full on.  Tap it at night and it only comes on a little bit.

Ensuite Lights Level.adjust - [ID 012F][Parent 00FA]

If
        From    Sunrise
        To      10:00:00PM (same day)
 
Then
        Set 'Master Bedroom / Ensuite Lights' On Level 100%
        Set 'Master Bedroom / Ensuite Lights' Ramp Rate 0.5 seconds
 
Else
        Set 'Master Bedroom / Ensuite Lights' On Level 20%
        Set 'Master Bedroom / Ensuite Lights' Ramp Rate 4.5 seconds
 

Here is another I use for mood bathing. Use a long tp down to get the lowest lighting the bulbs can do.

Ensuite Lights Dim.adjust - [ID 0130][Parent 0017]

If
        'Master Bedroom / Ensuite Lights' is switched Fade Down
 
Then
        Set 'Master Bedroom / Ensuite Lights' On 8%
 
Else
   - No Actions - (To add one, press 'Action')
 

Finally, here is two that adjust the blazing LED at nights. You will need to do it by time. I am using a tally from10 MS units dark reports.

Set SwitchLinc LEDs Bright - [ID 0027][Parent 0036]

If
        $sHouse.darkCount < $cDARK.THRESHOLD
 
Then
        Wait  5 seconds
        Set 'Gathering Room / PotLight over Table' 20% (Backlight Level)
        Wait  5 seconds
        Set 'Dining Room / Dining Table' 23% (Backlight Level)
        Wait  5 seconds
        Set 'Gathering Room / PotLights over Chairs' 25% (Backlight Level)
        Wait  5 seconds
        Set 'Kitchen / Kitchen Bar PotLights' 15% (Backlight Level)
        Wait  5 seconds
        Set 'Gathering Room / PotLight over Desk' 15% (Backlight Level)
        Wait  5 seconds
        Set 'Foyer / Front Porch Lights' 15% (Backlight Level)
        Wait  5 seconds
        Set 'Foyer / Side Deck Lights' 15% (Backlight Level)
        Wait  5 seconds
        Set 'Mudroom / MudRm Potlights' On 12 / Off 2 (Backlight Level)
        Wait  5 seconds
        Set 'Master Bedroom / Ensuite Lights' 25% (Backlight Level)
 
Else
   - No Actions - (To add one, press 'Action')
 

Set SwitchLinc LEDs Dim - [ID 0007][Parent 0036]

If
        $sHouse.darkCount > $cDARK.THRESHOLD
 
Then
        Wait  5 seconds
        Set 'Gathering Room / PotLight over Table' 5% (Backlight Level)
        Wait  5 seconds
        Set 'Dining Room / Dining Table' 8% (Backlight Level)
        Wait  5 seconds
        Set 'Gathering Room / PotLights over Chairs' 11% (Backlight Level)
        Wait  5 seconds
        Set 'Kitchen / Kitchen Bar PotLights' 5% (Backlight Level)
        Wait  5 seconds
        Set 'Gathering Room / PotLight over Desk' 5% (Backlight Level)
        Wait  5 seconds
        Set 'Foyer / Front Porch Lights' 5% (Backlight Level)
        Wait  5 seconds
        Set 'Foyer / Side Deck Lights' 5% (Backlight Level)
        Wait  5 seconds
        Set 'Mudroom / MudRm Potlights' On  7 / Off 2 (Backlight Level)
        Wait  5 seconds
        Set 'Master Bedroom / Ensuite Lights' 5% (Backlight Level)
 
Else
   - No Actions - (To add one, press 'Action')
 

[carealtor]

That's pretty easy. Set the on level to the level you want at night and change your program to to go full on during the day.

 

I'm Gary Funk and I approved this message.

 

I thought of that too.  I was thinking there might be a better way.

[G W]

You might be able to write a program that sets the on level twice a day but I found that setting the level at 40% works great.

 

If I need it on full I tap on again.

 

I'm Gary Funk and I approved this message.

[carealtor]

Ensuite Lights Level.adjust - [ID 012F][Parent 00FA]

If
        From    Sunrise
        To      10:00:00PM (same day)
 
Then
        Set 'Master Bedroom / Ensuite Lights' On Level 100%
        Set 'Master Bedroom / Ensuite Lights' Ramp Rate 0.5 seconds
 
Else
        Set 'Master Bedroom / Ensuite Lights' On Level 20%
        Set 'Master Bedroom / Ensuite Lights' Ramp Rate 4.5 seconds
 

Here is another I use for mood bathing. Use a long tp down to get the lowest lighting the bulbs can do.

Ensuite Lights Dim.adjust - [ID 0130][Parent 0017]

If
        'Master Bedroom / Ensuite Lights' is switched Fade Down
 
Then
        Set 'Master Bedroom / Ensuite Lights' On 8%
 
Else
   - No Actions - (To add one, press 'Action')
 

Finally, here is two that adjust the blazing LED at nights. You will need to do it by time. I am using a tally from10 MS units dark reports.

Set SwitchLinc LEDs Bright - [ID 0027][Parent 0036]

If
        $sHouse.darkCount < $cDARK.THRESHOLD
 
Then
        Wait  5 seconds
        Set 'Gathering Room / PotLight over Table' 20% (Backlight Level)
        Wait  5 seconds
        Set 'Dining Room / Dining Table' 23% (Backlight Level)
        Wait  5 seconds
        Set 'Gathering Room / PotLights over Chairs' 25% (Backlight Level)
        Wait  5 seconds
        Set 'Kitchen / Kitchen Bar PotLights' 15% (Backlight Level)
        Wait  5 seconds
        Set 'Gathering Room / PotLight over Desk' 15% (Backlight Level)
        Wait  5 seconds
        Set 'Foyer / Front Porch Lights' 15% (Backlight Level)
        Wait  5 seconds
        Set 'Foyer / Side Deck Lights' 15% (Backlight Level)
        Wait  5 seconds
        Set 'Mudroom / MudRm Potlights' On 12 / Off 2 (Backlight Level)
        Wait  5 seconds
        Set 'Master Bedroom / Ensuite Lights' 25% (Backlight Level)
 
Else
   - No Actions - (To add one, press 'Action')
 

Set SwitchLinc LEDs Dim - [ID 0007][Parent 0036]

If
        $sHouse.darkCount > $cDARK.THRESHOLD
 
Then
        Wait  5 seconds
        Set 'Gathering Room / PotLight over Table' 5% (Backlight Level)
        Wait  5 seconds
        Set 'Dining Room / Dining Table' 8% (Backlight Level)
        Wait  5 seconds
        Set 'Gathering Room / PotLights over Chairs' 11% (Backlight Level)
        Wait  5 seconds
        Set 'Kitchen / Kitchen Bar PotLights' 5% (Backlight Level)
        Wait  5 seconds
        Set 'Gathering Room / PotLight over Desk' 5% (Backlight Level)
        Wait  5 seconds
        Set 'Foyer / Front Porch Lights' 5% (Backlight Level)
        Wait  5 seconds
        Set 'Foyer / Side Deck Lights' 5% (Backlight Level)
        Wait  5 seconds
        Set 'Mudroom / MudRm Potlights' On  7 / Off 2 (Backlight Level)
        Wait  5 seconds
        Set 'Master Bedroom / Ensuite Lights' 5% (Backlight Level)
 
Else
   - No Actions - (To add one, press 'Action')
 

Your first program looks like what I want to do, but I don't have "On Level" or "Ramp Rate" in my list.  Is this a version 5 thing?

[larryllix]

 

 

Ensuite Lights Level.adjust - [ID 012F][Parent 00FA]

If
        From    Sunrise
        To      10:00:00PM (same day)
 
Then
        Set 'Master Bedroom / Ensuite Lights' On Level 100%
        Set 'Master Bedroom / Ensuite Lights' Ramp Rate 0.5 seconds

Your first program looks like what I want to do, but I don't have "On Level" or "Ramp Rate" in my list.  Is this a version 5 thing?

On Level and Ramp Rate have been in every version since V3 when I came into the ISY world.

Some of the settings are a bit obscure at first.

[stusviews]

Here's my version 4 program:

 

KT Ceiling
If
        From    Sunrise
        To       1:00:00AM (next day)
 
Then
        In Scene 'KT / Scenes / KT Light' Set 'KT / Devices / KT Ceiling 50' 50% (On Level)
 
Else
        In Scene 'KT / Scenes / KT Light' Set 'KT / Devices / KT Ceiling 50' 10% (On Level)
 

[carealtor]

Here's my version 4 program:

 

KT Ceiling

If

        From    Sunrise

        To       1:00:00AM (next day)

 

Then

        In Scene 'KT / Scenes / KT Light' Set 'KT / Devices / KT Ceiling 50' 50% (On Level)

 

Else

        In Scene 'KT / Scenes / KT Light' Set 'KT / Devices / KT Ceiling 50' 10% (On Level)

 

 

I don't understand how adjusting a scene is applicable, as this is the actual switch paddle that is being tapped.  There is no scene involved.  It's the local control that would need to be adjusted.

[stusviews]

Here's the same concept adjusting the device, not the scene (running version 4+):

 

KT Ceiling
If
        From    Sunrise
        To       1:00:00AM (next day)
 
Then
        Set 'KT / Devices / KT Ceiling 50' 50%
 
Else
        Set 'KT / Devices / KT Ceiling 50' 10%
 
 

[larryllix]

I don't understand how adjusting a scene is applicable, as this is the actual switch paddle that is being tapped.  There is no scene involved.  It's the local control that would need to be adjusted.

Scenes are popular with some users.

 

You can adjust them before hand and then any source of controlling that scene will turn on the light to the same level. Scenes are not operated by the local paddle on the switch.

 

The On Levels you want to adjust are similar to a scene with an On level and Ramp speed, like a preset the local paddle will operate.

[larryllix]

Here's the same concept adjusting the device, not the scene (running version 4+):

 

KT Ceiling

If

From Sunrise

To 1:00:00AM (next day)

 

Then

Set 'KT / Devices / KT Ceiling 50' 50%

 

Else

Set 'KT / Devices / KT Ceiling 50' 10%

 

That is turning the device on to 50% or 10%.

 

The OP wants the levels preset so that paddle operation actvates those levels.

 

..."So, tap the switch during the day and it comes full on. Tap it at night and it only comes on a little bit"

Edited December 4, 2016 by larryllix

[stusviews]

My example is just that, an example. The OP can set any preferred level(s).

[carealtor]

Here's the same concept adjusting the device, not the scene (running version 4+):

 

KT Ceiling

If

        From    Sunrise

        To       1:00:00AM (next day)

 

Then

        Set 'KT / Devices / KT Ceiling 50' 50%

 

Else

        Set 'KT / Devices / KT Ceiling 50' 10%

 

 

 

I tried that, but it turns the light on.  I want to turn the light on with the paddle tap.

[G W]

The Local paddle won't run the Scene on itself.

 

I'm Gary Funk and I approved this message.

[carealtor]

Just a follow up as to where I am with this.

 

I set the On Level [Locally Applied] to 25%.

I have a Scene with the On Level at 100%.

 

And I have this program:

 

Master Bath Day - [iD 0009][Parent 0001]

If
        From    Sunrise
        To      11:00:00PM (same day)
    And Control 'Indoor Lights / Devices / Master Bathroom' is switched On
 
Then
        Set Scene 'Indoor Lights / Master Bathroom' On
 
Else
   - No Actions - (To add one, press 'Action')
 

 

It works okay, but I don't like the lag due to the program kicking in when turning on the light during the day.

[larryllix]

Just a follow up as to where I am with this.

 

I set the On Level [Locally Applied] to 25%.

I have a Scene with the On Level at 100%.

 

And I have this program:

 

Master Bath Day - [iD 0009][Parent 0001]

If

From Sunrise

To 11:00:00PM (same day)

And Control 'Indoor Lights / Devices / Master Bathroom' is switched On

 

Then

Set Scene 'Indoor Lights / Master Bathroom' On

 

Else

- No Actions - (To add one, press 'Action')

 

 

It works okay, but I don't like the lag due to the program kicking in when turning on the light during the day.

If you are setting the local On levels by a time frame program this program is not necessary.

 

Just tap on the top of the switch and the light should go on to the set level by your other local levels setting program.

 

See post #4 top program.

Then No scenes are required and usually not used for one light.

No other programs are required unless you want to time the light off automatically or something else from it.

 

Your program will be competing against the paddle direct wired to the dimmer.

Edited December 5, 2016 by larryllix

[carealtor]

As I said in post #7:

 

"Your first program looks like what I want to do, but I don't have "On Level" or "Ramp Rate" in my list.  Is this a version 5 thing?"

[larryllix]

As I said in post #7:

 

"Your first program looks like what I want to do, but I don't have "On Level" or "Ramp Rate" in my list. Is this a version 5 thing?"

and I answered you that you do in every version since v3 that I have been using ISY. Post #8. Maybe you missed it.

This was the very first thing that Insteon devices did. have a local, settable light level and ramp speed. You can even set it at the switch paddle if you read the manuals.

 

Look harder. It's there.

 

I need to get on another computer to give you a screen shot

Edited December 5, 2016 by larryllix

[larryllix]

Here you go!

 

It's hiding. Maybe you have to scroll more on the pulldown.

 

Edited December 5, 2016 by larryllix

[stusviews]

When using a program, version 4+ does not have ramp rate available for devices, only scenes do.

[larryllix]

When using a program, version 4+ does not have ramp rate available for devices, only scenes do.

No? Thanks.

 

But they should all have the local level as a basic setting.

 

@OP. What version are you running?

Edited December 5, 2016 by larryllix

[carealtor]

I'm at v4.5.4.  The pulldown that larryllix is trying to show me definitely is not there.

[zerop]

This is what v4.5.4 pull down looks like.  No on level or ramp rate.  You need to use a scene to get what you want.  Give me a sec and I'll post what you need.