gweempose Posted January 23, 2017 Author Posted January 23, 2017 I really like this Schlage lock and am considering installing a couple more of them. Do the locks themselves function as repeaters, and will adding more of them increase the reliability of my Z-Wave network?
vjk Posted January 23, 2017 Posted January 23, 2017 I would suggest you wait for the siren to arrive and add it do all the steps as outlined above. Once done do the very same for the lock set and you won't have to lug around the controller for this silly inclusion process. I may be wrong on this, but for a Gen3 device to be included, it has to be directly reachable by the controller which translates to an about 30' radius. The network-wide inclusion aka "remote inclusion" feature and the related explorer frame functionality are only available with gen5 (the 500 series chip) devices as the usually inadequate sigma blurb unhelpfully suggests. The page below seems to shed some light on remote inclusion (see NWI): http://library.ademconet.com/MWT/fs2/L5210/Introductory-Guide-to-Z-Wave-Technology.PDF
MikeD Posted January 23, 2017 Posted January 23, 2017 The lock is battery operated therefore does not act as a repeater. I just looked at the network details of a neighbor to the Schlage lock in my z-wave network and verified.
gweempose Posted January 24, 2017 Author Posted January 24, 2017 I may be wrong on this, but for a Gen3 device to be included, it has to be directly reachable by the controller which translates to an about 30' radius. The network-wide inclusion aka "remote inclusion" feature and the related explorer frame functionality are only available with gen5 (the 500 series chip) devices as the usually inadequate sigma blurb unhelpfully suggests. The page below seems to shed some light on remote inclusion (see NWI): http://library.ademconet.com/MWT/fs2/L5210/Introductory-Guide-to-Z-Wave-Technology.PDF So is the Schlage lock a Gen3 or Gen5 device? Also, why isn't Universal Devices listed as one of the "Integrators" on this page? http://www.schlage.com/partners/intg-feat/home/products/prod-feat.html?tagID=micro:prod/be469
MikeD Posted January 24, 2017 Posted January 24, 2017 The BE469 is definetly not a Gen5. Sorry, I cannot answer your second question.
Yakker Posted January 24, 2017 Posted January 24, 2017 I feel like I should preface my following complaint/inquiry with the fact that while I am new to the forum, I am not a new ISY owner I've had 2 in the last 5 years (both still alive!!); I simply haven't had any issues worth chiming in about, or ones that didn't have well documented fix actions. Am I the only one that is supremely disappointed with the z-wave integration in ISY? I have 2 repeaters trying fruitlessly to contact a kwikset z-wave door lock. I know for a fact that one repeater is a secure compatible, while the other one im not 100% sure about. The distance is about 60' or so, that is why I needed two repeaters. Both repeaters are visible to the ISY. I have added the door lock to the ISY by un-attaching it from the door and including it, and while the settings did take the command, it's not really conducive to locking doors while on the floor of my living room (because that is apparently the farthest place it will reach). Should I just buy a Z-Stick and let Home Assistant control of my Z-Wave devices instead of relying on (what appears to be in my experience) a very under-powered and low range add-on z-wave controller?
stusviews Posted January 25, 2017 Posted January 25, 2017 Which repeaters? The Aeon Gen 5 siren works wonders.
Yakker Posted January 25, 2017 Posted January 25, 2017 My first one was/is an Iris zwave rep800, this one Im nearly sure isn't secure compatible. The other I just received the other day is a Aeon Labs DSD37-ZWUS Repeater, this one I was told is absolutely encrypted communications that will send proper signals to and from secure devices like door likes and other wireless door sensors to a controller.
stusviews Posted January 25, 2017 Posted January 25, 2017 I have that repeater. It didn't help at all to improve communication with my Schlage locks. Sometimes I could control the locks with the ISY and trigger programs, sometimes I couldn't. Plugging a siren into the same outlet made communication solid
MWareman Posted January 25, 2017 Posted January 25, 2017 Aeon Labs DSD37-ZWUS Repeater, this one I was told is absolutely encrypted communications that will send proper signals to and from secure devices like door likes and other wireless door sensors to a controller. I had three of those spread around my house. Utterly useless for improving communication to my Kwikset locks. They simply didn't work. I replaced them with two Aeon Sirens, and my locks work perfectly now. The repeaters are now in my junk drawer.
Yakker Posted January 26, 2017 Posted January 26, 2017 ugh, I updated to firmware version 5.0.8 to see if z-wave was implemented better (better than terrible isn't a high bar...) now I get a "not implemented" error. I give up, I'll just buy an Aeon Z-Stick add it to my Home Assistant server and be done with this nonsense. 2/10 would not recommend
MWareman Posted January 26, 2017 Posted January 26, 2017 ugh, I updated to firmware version 5.0.8 to see if z-wave was implemented better (better than terrible isn't a high bar...) now I get a "not implemented" error. I give up, I'll just buy an Aeon Z-Stick add it to my Home Assistant server and be done with this nonsense. 2/10 would not recommend From your other post (http://forum.universal-devices.com/index.php?/topic/21017-5.0.8-update-kills-my-Z-wave&do=findComment&comment=203691), you likely need to strengthen your zwave network before you'll get reliable comm. The Aeon repeaters are known to cause reliability issues. I was tearing my hair out until I got rid of them. Zwave in ISY has been rock solid for me, side the mid 4.x era (once I had a feed mesh of Aeon Sirens).
Michel Kohanim Posted January 26, 2017 Posted January 26, 2017 Yakker, The same post is in 3 different forums. Please check your UI version. With kind regards, Michel
gweempose Posted January 26, 2017 Author Posted January 26, 2017 I received the Z-Wave dongle today and installed it in my ISY. The upgrade was simple and literally took about five minutes. I then added the Gen5 Siren and two BE469 locks to the ISY, making sure to exclude all devices first. Everything appears to be working exactly as it should. I can control both locks from the ISY, and I get real-time status updates form the lock. I have to say, it's really nice when everything simply works like it's supposed to without having to do a lot of fiddling around.
gweempose Posted January 27, 2017 Author Posted January 27, 2017 If you go to the menu and choose Z-Wave -> Tools -> Backup, there are two options - "Normal" and "Full". What is the difference between these two, and how do they differ from the general "Backup ISY"?
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