Michel Kohanim Posted February 26, 2017 Posted February 26, 2017 Hello everyone, Just wanted to let everyone know that Google approved us for the usage of Direct Actions. We are quite excited and will shortly start working on the integration. With kind regards, Michel 10 Quote
bdlhome Posted February 26, 2017 Posted February 26, 2017 Great news and keep up the great work Quote
Jimbo.Automates Posted February 26, 2017 Posted February 26, 2017 That's so awesome! Let me know if you need anything. Sent from my Pixel C using Tapatalk Quote
smokegrub Posted February 27, 2017 Posted February 27, 2017 Pardon my ignorance but what are "direct actions"? Quote
asbril Posted February 27, 2017 Posted February 27, 2017 Hello everyone, Just wanted to let everyone know that Google approved us for the usage of Direct Actions. We are quite excited and will shortly start working on the integration. With kind regards, Michel Great job Michel. I look forward to it. Quote
jtara92101 Posted February 27, 2017 Posted February 27, 2017 (edited) Pardon my ignorance but what are "direct actions"? Google Assistant has two kinds of actions. Both require a server that the developer supplies that Google can talk to. There are a variety of high-level and low-level APIs that developers can use. Conversational Actions: The developer must supply an invocation trigger, dialog, and fulfillment action. It is up to the developer to specify the words that will be used by the user, and the flow of dialog. (Because it can go beyond simple commands, and include a back-and-forth "conversation". An example of a service that would be well-suited to conversational actions would be a baseball trivia "bot". Direct Actions: The developer only deals with fulfillment. Google handles the entire conversational interaction. Google has defined a number of problem domains, which they refer to as "verticals". Examples are food ordering, home automation, reservations, etc. Google has defined the possible actions. So, for home automation, they've defined commands to turn things on and off, dim and brighten, etc. Direct actions are limited to what Google has defined. So, I can imagine that conversational actions would still be needed if a home automation product is capable of doing things that Google didn't think of. So, for example, if you wanted to use ISY to arm an Elk alarm, or tune a channel on an AV system, it could be awkward. There isn't (as of yet) a vertical for home security or AV control, and the terminology will be a bit off if you were to piggy-back it on Home Automation. Conversational actions give the developer more control, as the developer is in charge of the conversation. Direct actions are easier to implement, and have the advantage of using a common vocabulary. The user could control e.g. Hue or Insteon using the same vocabulary and syntax. This can be a good thing or a bad thing! It seems desirable for services that fit into the available verticals to support direct actions, because users will have expectations how services in a given vertical work. One might easily get the impression that direct actions are more difficult to implement, but I think it is the opposite. Direct actions have a sign-up and approval process I think mainly because they are new an still a bit experimental. Google is still learning (both Google PEOPLE and Google AI...) and I think developing specs as they go along, so there is a need to limit access at this point - I suppose mainly to industry leaders - like UDI! Edited February 27, 2017 by jtara92101 2 Quote
jtara92101 Posted February 27, 2017 Posted February 27, 2017 (edited) Oh, and congrats! Looking forward to it! I've set up a few simple on/off actions with IFTTT for now. When you are done with this, no doubt there will in the future be Cortana and Siri appliances to deal with... As I am an Apple household, neither Google HA or Alexa are optimum. But I've decided that each "home assistant" has an agenda, and I guess the Google one is less evil: Alexa - get you to buy stuff from Amazon Google Assistant - get you to use as many Google services as possible Cortana - assimilate into the Borg Siri - make her less lonely, because nobody uses Siri after the initial excitement (I think poor accuracy, and too many irrelevant, sometimes totally bizarre results). Oh, and get you to use as few Google services as possible I have to say I am still impressed by the accuracy and relevance, especially for local results. Edited February 27, 2017 by jtara92101 Quote
Scottmichaelj Posted February 27, 2017 Posted February 27, 2017 Oh, and congrats! Looking forward to it! I've set up a few simple on/off actions with IFTTT for now. When you are done with this, no doubt there will in the future be Cortana and Siri appliances to deal with... As I am an Apple household, neither Google HA or Alexa are optimum. But I've decided that each "home assistant" has an agenda, and I guess the Google one is less evil: Alexa - get you to buy stuff from Amazon Google Assistant - get you to use as many Google services as possible Cortana - assimilate into the Borg Siri - make her less lonely, because nobody uses Siri after the initial excitement (I think poor accuracy, and too many irrelevant, sometimes totally bizarre results). Oh, and get you to use as few Google services as possible I have to say I am still impressed by the accuracy and relevance, especially for local results. Price per Amazon DOT makes it the winner for my home, I have four now. Quote
asbril Posted February 27, 2017 Posted February 27, 2017 Price per Amazon DOT makes it the winner for my home, I have four now. ISY will be the winner, working with both Alexa and Google Home Quote
Jimbo.Automates Posted February 27, 2017 Posted February 27, 2017 Group play audio between multiple homes and Chromecast audios has made home the winner in my house:-) and the way better speach recognition. And I do have both. Sent from my Nexus 6P using Tapatalk Quote
kurelgyer Posted February 27, 2017 Posted February 27, 2017 Woo Hoo!!! Awesome! Semi related question. Is it / will it ever be possible to have the ISY play an audio file (maybe from Google Play Music) on a Chromecast Audio? Before ISY, I use to run HAL2000. Something I miss is audio notifications /actions. My favorite was when there was motion in the yard, and I was away, an .Mp3 of a vicious dog barking would play on my home theater system. It was crazy effective. I created it, yet if I came home from a weekend away, it would scare the hell out of me as I was putting my key in the door 1 Quote
jtara92101 Posted February 27, 2017 Posted February 27, 2017 Before ISY, I use to run HAL2000. Something I miss is audio notifications /actions. My favorite was when there was motion in the yard, and I was away, an .Mp3 of a vicious dog barking would play on my home theater system. It was crazy effective. I created it, yet if I came home from a weekend away, it would scare the hell out of me as I was putting my key in the door See the separate thread "Speak, Google!" My goal is text to speech, though, rather than playing an MP3. But the solution I found does play an MP3 - it makes an MP3 using Google TTS first. I just did some tests using the NPM module google-home-notify. I used the little server included and then set up some Network resources on ISY to speak some notifications. Quote
asbril Posted February 27, 2017 Posted February 27, 2017 Woo Hoo!!! Awesome! Semi related question. Is it / will it ever be possible to have the ISY play an audio file (maybe from Google Play Music) on a Chromecast Audio? Before ISY, I use to run HAL2000. Something I miss is audio notifications /actions. My favorite was when there was motion in the yard, and I was away, an .Mp3 of a vicious dog barking would play on my home theater system. It was crazy effective. I created it, yet if I came home from a weekend away, it would scare the hell out of me as I was putting my key in the door That is a great idea. I have two Google Home and two Chromecast Audio devices. I would love to send an instruction from ISY to either/or/and GH /CA, with let's say I want to be woken up at 7 am with radio station X and at the same time lights in bedroom go ON..... Quote
Michel Kohanim Posted February 28, 2017 Author Posted February 28, 2017 Hello everyone, It seems possible but we have to make sure we can walk before we fly! With kind regards,Michel 7 Quote
RichTJ99 Posted March 2, 2017 Posted March 2, 2017 Price per Amazon DOT makes it the winner for my home, I have four now. The only problem with the dot (for me) is it keeps loosing connectivity even though its 10 feet from a wireless router. Quote
stusviews Posted March 15, 2017 Posted March 15, 2017 The only problem with the dot (for me) is it keeps loosing connectivity even though its 10 feet from a wireless router. By losing connectivity do you mean that the ring turns orange and you get a message about the connection when you issue a voice command or something else? Quote
Gator99 Posted March 28, 2017 Posted March 28, 2017 Any news/updates? Sent from my Nexus 6 using Tapatalk Quote
asbril Posted March 29, 2017 Posted March 29, 2017 https://www.cnet.com/news/google-home-gets-new-partners-in-its-first-big-smart-home-update/ Quote
larryllix Posted March 29, 2017 Posted March 29, 2017 The only problem with the dot (for me) is it keeps loosing connectivity even though its 10 feet from a wireless router. I have the same thing with, especially one Dot, about 10 feet from my router. Perhaps the WiFi is too sensitive and loses connection due to over driving the receiver, being so close? Quote
Michel Kohanim Posted March 29, 2017 Author Posted March 29, 2017 Hello everyone, Unfortunately no update. We are waiting for Google to get back to us for connectivity testing. With kind regards, Michel 3 Quote
davebwi Posted April 26, 2017 Posted April 26, 2017 Hello everyone, Unfortunately no update. We are waiting for Google to get back to us for connectivity testing. With kind regards, Michel Any updates on google home? Sent from my SM-G930U using Tapatalk Quote
Michel Kohanim Posted April 26, 2017 Author Posted April 26, 2017 Hi davebwi, We have already implemented everything and tested with their test system. Currently, waiting for Google to let us pass their remote certification. With kind regards, Michel 4 Quote
fasttimes Posted April 27, 2017 Posted April 27, 2017 When Google Home goes live on the portal, will it be a trivial task to swap out Echo? I really don't like Amazon's AI capabilities compared to Google. Quote
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