io_guy Posted October 13, 2017 Posted October 13, 2017 Just about to jump into replacing Insteon dimmers with Z-Wave. Michel/Chris, from what I read Z-Wave+ supports instant status and multi-tap through the "Central Scene V2" command class is this correct? The dimmer options I'm looking at are: Homeseer WD100+ GE 14294 Leviton DZ6HD-1BZ The Homeseer seems to be the winner here but I'd rather not have the LED side strip. Can you provide info on exactly what command classes I should be looking for? I'm looking up the certification data at https://products.z-wavealliance.org/products.
Michel Kohanim Posted October 13, 2017 Posted October 13, 2017 Hi io_guy, While waiting for Chris for command classes, I do know that HS does in fact send status updates. With kind regards, Michel
Chris Jahn Posted October 13, 2017 Posted October 13, 2017 Hi io_guy, Look for command class Central Scene the binary value is 91 (hexadecimal 5B) A central scene controller does nothing more than send an event to the ISY telling it what happened (On, Fast On, 3xTap, 4xTap, 5xTap, Fade, Fade stop) with each central scene controller supporting all or a subset of these. The central scene controller does not directly communicate with other Z-Wave devices, it has to be through the ISY using either the 'command' option in scenes, or programs. We are completing more of the scene support such that it will allow you to use other types of switches and dimmers that will directly interact with lamps etc. (much like Insteon).
vjk Posted October 18, 2017 Posted October 18, 2017 The device in question does not send a true status update. If it did, it would be a COMMAND_CLASS_SWITCH_MULTILEVEL notification rather than "Central Scene V2". The later just tells the controller what button was pressed, not what the actual dimmer level is. To find out the level, the device would need to be polled (a second round trip) upon the central scene message receipt.
asbril Posted November 5, 2017 Posted November 5, 2017 I am very satisfied with the Homeseer switches and they give me instant status.
ts54638 Posted November 7, 2017 Posted November 7, 2017 Just replaced a Leviton switch from Home Depot without Instant Status with a Homeseer switch and I can confirm that Instant Status is now working. I have some switches coming from ZWP which I understand are the same as the Homeseer's, will advise once those are installed.
nwchicago Posted November 8, 2017 Posted November 8, 2017 Good luck! Can you share a picture? Is the install any harder than Insteon? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
asbril Posted November 8, 2017 Posted November 8, 2017 Hi io_guy, Look for command class Central Scene the binary value is 91 (hexadecimal 5B) A central scene controller does nothing more than send an event to the ISY telling it what happened (On, Fast On, 3xTap, 4xTap, 5xTap, Fade, Fade stop) with each central scene controller supporting all or a subset of these. The central scene controller does not directly communicate with other Z-Wave devices, it has to be through the ISY using either the 'command' option in scenes, or programs. We are completing more of the scene support such that it will allow you to use other types of switches and dimmers that will directly interact with lamps etc. (much like Insteon). Chris, any plans to add double-tap and triple-tap on the Homeseer switches to work soon with ISY ?
jon102034050 Posted November 9, 2017 Posted November 9, 2017 Chris, any plans to add double-tap and triple-tap on the Homeseer switches to work soon with ISY ? I'd like to know this as well. This is keeping me from dumping HomeSeer altogether and going to full time to ISY
BlackSheep Posted November 30, 2017 Posted November 30, 2017 Chris, any plans to add double-tap and triple-tap on the Homeseer switches to work soon with ISY ? I'd like to know this as well. This is keeping me from dumping HomeSeer altogether and going to full time to ISY Still hoping to see an answer to this question.
Chris Jahn Posted December 1, 2017 Posted December 1, 2017 Chris, any plans to add double-tap and triple-tap on the Homeseer switches to work soon with ISY ? It should be working now, its been in the firmware for quite some time. Do you not see the On/Fade Stop/Fade Up/Fast On/Triple press options for 'control' conditions for the scene buttons for the device?
asbril Posted December 1, 2017 Posted December 1, 2017 It should be working now, its been in the firmware for quite some time. Do you not see the On/Fade Stop/Fade Up/Fast On/Triple press options for 'control' conditions for the scene buttons for the device? Chris, No, the Homeseer ON/OFF switches only show On/Off/Query and same for Dimmer switches (plus of course Fast On/Off Fade etc) but no Double or Triple anywhere. The associated Scene Buttons (1 and 2) only show Query.
io_guy Posted December 1, 2017 Author Posted December 1, 2017 I disagree. I use the double tap successfully in programs. There's another thread in the forum that details how it works.
asbril Posted December 1, 2017 Posted December 1, 2017 io_guy, you may disagree in that it works for you , but the screen prints that I attached show that, in my case, there is no Double or Triple. Maybe you know where I can find the thread ?
io_guy Posted December 1, 2017 Author Posted December 1, 2017 https://forum.universal-devices.com/topic/19762-support-for-hs-wd100-switch-by-isy
MWareman Posted December 1, 2017 Posted December 1, 2017 io_guy, you may disagree in that it works for you , but the screen prints that I attached show that, in my case, there is no Double or Triple. Maybe you know where I can find the thread ? The screen prints show the direct buttons available when you go into the device itself. The double and triple press actions must be captured in programs instead. They don’t show any of the screens you posted. Create a program, add the device to the if clause and there will be options for double and triple presses. In the Then, you can then code whatever you want to happen when the device is double or triple presses.
asbril Posted December 2, 2017 Posted December 2, 2017 The screen prints show the direct buttons available when you go into the device itself. The double and triple press actions must be captured in programs instead. They don’t show any of the screens you posted. Create a program, add the device to the if clause and there will be options for double and triple presses. In the Then, you can then code whatever you want to happen when the device is double or triple presses. Many thanks MWareman, Indeed, when, in a program, I choose either the SceneButton 1 or 2, I see the option of "Triple Press ON". Then I can add several devices to switch ON in THEN. What I do not yet understand how to set Triple Press OFF, for the same devices to switch OFF when Triple Pressing the switch down. BTW, while I now (thanks to you) see the Triple Press ON, I do not see the Double. Is there a way to activate a Scene in THEN ?
stusviews Posted December 2, 2017 Posted December 2, 2017 Is there a way to activate a Scene in THEN ? Have you tried? I certainly can turn an Insteon scene on or off using a THEN or ELSE statement. I don't think that Z-Wave would be any different.
asbril Posted December 2, 2017 Posted December 2, 2017 Have you tried? I certainly can turn an Insteon scene on or off using a THEN or ELSE statement. I don't think that Z-Wave would be any different. Stu, This is the choice I get. in THEN I only have "adjust scene", but no (simple) choice to select a specific scene. I have not yet tried it out yet, but I assume that I could do it with selecting a program in THEN. That program then has the devices that would turn ON if the Triple Press is activated in IF. However I still do not see anywhere the option of Triple Press OFF, meaning triple pressing the switch down. Screen Shot 2017-12-02 at 10.02.49 AM.pdf
BlackSheep Posted December 3, 2017 Posted December 3, 2017 It should be working now, its been in the firmware for quite some time. Do you not see the On/Fade Stop/Fade Up/Fast On/Triple press options for 'control' conditions for the scene buttons for the device? Sorry for possibly a stupid question, but I am on v.4.6.2, which is the latest official release. Is this version included when you say "its been in the firmware for quite some time"? I don't have any Scene Buttons showing for any of my HS dimmer switches. Thanks.
asbril Posted December 3, 2017 Posted December 3, 2017 Stu, This is the choice I get. in THEN I only have "adjust scene", but no (simple) choice to select a specific scene. I have not yet tried it out yet, but I assume that I could do it with selecting a program in THEN. That program then has the devices that would turn ON if the Triple Press is activated in IF. However I still do not see anywhere the option of Triple Press OFF, meaning triple pressing the switch down. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- After excellent advice from MWare (in a different thread) I got it to work just fine. It took me to exit the AC and log in again.
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