When will Zwave 700 Module be available?

[TheA2Z]

Anyone know when it will be avail for the ISY?

[simplextech]

My guess... Never. 

Polisy... depending on the time frame of the convergence... around that time if 700 series USB sticks are available.

[TheA2Z]

Thanks Simplextech.

Ive had a ISY for a few years and it has the old 300 zWave module.  I am getting errors in my event log from newly added Zwave Plus devices.  I need to get a zWave plus hub to take full advantage of these zWave  devices.  I know there is a 500 module out,  but would hate to pay $50 for something that will be quickly outdated.

Michel, can you shed some light on the new zwave module?

@Michel Kohanim

 

 

[lilyoyo1]

7 minutes ago, TheA2Z said:

Thanks Simplextech.

Ive had a ISY for a few years and it has the old 300 zWave module.  I am getting errors in my event log from newly added Zwave Plus devices.  I need to get a zWave plus hub to take full advantage of these zWave  devices.  I know there is a 500 module out,  but would hate to pay $50 for something that will be quickly outdated.

Michel, can you shed some light on the new zwave module?

@Michel Kohanim

 

 

50 bucks isnt much for now to work with devices you are installing right now, especially when the 700 series would require you to replace all of your devices with 700 series devices to take advantage of any of its benefits. Due to how Zwave works, having the 700 series chip in the ISY would offer absolutely zero benefit when coupled with anything less than 700. series devices (there is only 1 device currently for sale on the market)

The same applies right now with the 500 series chips. Unless ALL of your devices are 500 series, the benefits of the newest chip would be lost.

[asbril]

36 minutes ago, lilyoyo1 said:

50 bucks isnt much for now to work with devices you are installing right now, especially when the 700 series would require you to replace all of your devices with 700 series devices to take advantage of any of its benefits. Due to how Zwave works, having the 700 series chip in the ISY would offer absolutely zero benefit when coupled with anything less than 700. series devices (there is only 1 device currently for sale on the market)

The same applies right now with the 500 series chips. Unless ALL of your devices are 500 series, the benefits of the newest chip would be lost.

Another issue, for me, is that with 60+ Zwave devices, I do not remember which ones are 300. Because I have an excellent mesh network I am not really concerned about range, but I'd like to gradually phase out the old switches and plugins because they do not have instant status reporting. My guess it will be another 10 years before all my devices will be 700 and then of course we may have Zwave 900, 1100, 1300 or another new technology all together ?

[lilyoyo1]

2 minutes ago, asbril said:

Another issue, for me, is that with 60+ Zwave devices, I do not remember which ones are 300. Because I have an excellent mesh network I am not really concerned about range, but I'd like to gradually phase out the old switches and plugins because they do not have instant status reporting. My guess it will be another 10 years before all my devices will be 700 and then of course we may have Zwave 900, 1100, 1300 or another new technology all together ?

This is the problem with playing the zwave update game. The way zwave works, everything has to be the same. If this were me, I would wait to swap things when 700 series devices are available (if you can). While you wont get the benefits of it, should you go all in at some point, that would be less devices you would need to swap out.

Having a strong Mesh network is the key which is why your system works really well. While battery life improvements and range are great, a strong network can mitigate some of those problems.

With the frequency of wave chip updates, you are right; In 10 years, theyll be at zwave 1300 by the time you're ready. lol

[asbril]

3 minutes ago, lilyoyo1 said:

This is the problem with playing the zwave update game

Indeed, I am not "playing" that game. Zwave Plus is important to me because of the status reporting, but other than that my current focus is to take advantage of the Polisy world....... and one day understanding variables ?

[lilyoyo1]

2 minutes ago, asbril said:

Indeed, I am not "playing" that game. Zwave Plus is important to me because of the status reporting, but other than that my current focus is to take advantage of the Polisy world....... and one day understanding variables ?

You better sit down with @larryllixfor that one...I rarely use them myself. The only time is to track status of a button that has multiple uses such as my outdoor scenes.

Personally, I think instant status is the biggest difference. Thank God Lutron's patent expired.

[asbril]

1 minute ago, lilyoyo1 said:

You better sit down with @larryllixfor that one...I rarely use them myself. The only time is to track status of a button that has multiple uses such as my outdoor scenes.

Personally, I think instant status is the biggest difference. Thank God Lutron's patent expired.

Yes I am waiting for.  @larryllix    to pass through South Florida, probably in winter time

[lilyoyo1]

3 minutes ago, asbril said:

Yes I am waiting for.  @larryllix    to pass through South Florida, probably in winter time

Thats too late then. He'll be stuck in all that snow until the spring when it finally melts

[larryllix]

55 minutes ago, lilyoyo1 said:

Thats too late then. He'll be stuck in all that snow until the spring when it finally melts

Hardly saw any snow this winter. I still have some of the original tank of gas in my snowblower. Being in Mexico for 6 weeks helped a lot. Weather was unusual and it raised the price of snowcones at the local corner store. 

I set my weather variables to what we want and it just happens. You guys will learn to "feel the power of the variables" and leave the X10 world behind.

[larryllix]

13 hours ago, TheA2Z said:

Thanks Simplextech.

Ive had a ISY for a few years and it has the old 300 zWave module.  I am getting errors in my event log from newly added Zwave Plus devices.  I need to get a zWave plus hub to take full advantage of these zWave  devices.  I know there is a 500 module out,  but would hate to pay $50 for something that will be quickly outdated.

Michel, can you shed some light on the new zwave module?

@Michel Kohanim

 

 

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[Michel Kohanim]

@larryllix,

We don't have any plans to support 700 series on ISY994.

With kind regards,
Michel

[TheA2Z]

Thanks all for your response.  Trying to figure out best approach then for getting my zwave zWave+ to stop throwing so many errors in my event log.  I have about 50 zwave devices that are a mix of 300 and 500 throughout the house.  My current ISY is sitting at 300 Zwave board.

 

@Michel Kohanim

[lilyoyo1]

5 minutes ago, TheA2Z said:

Thanks all for your response.  Trying to figure out best approach then for getting my zwave zWave+ to stop throwing so many errors in my event log.  I have about 50 zwave devices that are a mix of 300 and 500 throughout the house.  My current ISY is sitting at 300 Zwave board.

 

@Michel Kohanim

You could start with saying what errors your getting along with other pertinent details such as isy firmware/UI, when do they occur, etc.

[TheA2Z]

I have three zwave plus RGBW controllers from RGBGenie.  I included them right next to my ISY with no issues.  The are installed in my crawlspace on the other side of the house right next to other zwave plus GE outlets in the crawlspace.  I have multiple GE switches and outlets in the house between the ISY and the area of the crawlspace.  I have no issues with all the other zwave devices.  The UID of the devices are 65, 66, and 67.  Log, device info, and result of device sync below.

Thanks

[TheA2Z]

Fixed the problem.  Added a couple of range extenders.

[TheA2Z]

I did order the 500 module.  Looking forward to installing this week.  Most of my devices are Zwave +.  Will need to upgrade a few more of them to get them all to +.

 

[TheA2Z]

Update on install.

Installed the 500 module using process in forum.  Unfortunately restoring the Zwave backup failed.  I had to re-include all the devices, about 50 of them with most being zw+.  It took all weekend but to ended up being cleaner.  i had some nodes that were deleted but still showing in log.  I also moved my ISY to be dead center in my house.  Used a Powerline NW connection to reach it. 

Its now working great and seems faster with less lag on triggering devices.