How to verify if secure included?

[jec6613]

Is there a way to tell if a specific Z-Wave device was securely included or not?  I have some sensors that don't tell me obviously, and some things I included long ago that I'm no longer sure about, so I'd like to go through and verify.  Even if it's arduous to verify, that's still easier than excluding and re-including every device I'm unsure about.

[lilyoyo1]

2 hours ago, jec6613 said:

Is there a way to tell if a specific Z-Wave device was securely included or not?  I have some sensors that don't tell me obviously, and some things I included long ago that I'm no longer sure about, so I'd like to go through and verify.  Even if it's arduous to verify, that's still easier than excluding and re-including every device I'm unsure about.

Is your zwave system slow? Thats one way to tell if you are using s2. While there is truth behind what I said, I do not believe the ISY supports S2 at this time. Maybe @Michel Kohanimwill be able to chime in and confirm that. Are you certain the devices you have support S2? By default, your locks shouldve used standard S0.

I havent seen a way to tell what Secure level a device is using. Before removing and re-adding, you could verify first if your devices actually support it. If they arent zwave+, support is probably not there for S2. Early zave+ devices did not have S2 security and most mfg. have not issued updates for those devices either.

[jec6613]

1 hour ago, lilyoyo1 said:

Is your zwave system slow? Thats one way to tell if you are using s2. While there is truth behind what I said, I do not believe the ISY supports S2 at this time. Maybe @Michel Kohanimwill be able to chime in and confirm that. Are you certain the devices you have support S2? By default, your locks shouldve used standard S0.

I havent seen a way to tell what Secure level a device is using. Before removing and re-adding, you could verify first if your devices actually support it. If they arent zwave+, support is probably not there for S2. Early zave+ devices did not have S2 security and most mfg. have not issued updates for those devices either.

The ISY itself doesn't support S2 and will only include at S0 for secure inclusion.  Some of my devices support S2, but they all support S0 and unsecure inclusion.  Speed is fine, but I'm using it for sensors and door locks (and enough range extenders to support them all) and only have 30-ish devices, so even if they were all secure I wouldn't expect performance impacts.

Theoretically yes the locks should be S0 included by default, as well as other devices, but I'm looking for a way to confirm it on the ISY side as the Z-Wave module should know which devices are secure and insecure, I just don't know if the ISY admin interface exposes this.

[lilyoyo1]

26 minutes ago, jec6613 said:

The ISY itself doesn't support S2 and will only include at S0 for secure inclusion.  Some of my devices support S2, but they all support S0 and unsecure inclusion.  Speed is fine, but I'm using it for sensors and door locks (and enough range extenders to support them all) and only have 30-ish devices, so even if they were all secure I wouldn't expect performance impacts.

Theoretically yes the locks should be S0 included by default, as well as other devices, but I'm looking for a way to confirm it on the ISY side as the Z-Wave module should know which devices are secure and insecure, I just don't know if the ISY admin interface exposes this.

You shouldn't have performance issues in regards to communication. The device count itself doesn't matter. S2 communication is slower in general due to the encryption itself.

Hopefully Michel while chime in if there is a way to view secure or not as aI have not found one

[Michel Kohanim]

All,

I am researching.

With kind regards,
Michel

[jec6613]

On 7/8/2020 at 12:37 PM, Michel Kohanim said:

All,

I am researching.

With kind regards,
Michel

@Michel Kohanim any success yet?

[Michel Kohanim]

@jec6613,

I have asked @Chris to chime in.

With kind regards,
Michel

[Chris Jahn]

On 7/7/2020 at 7:31 PM, lilyoyo1 said:

Hopefully Michel while chime in if there is a way to view secure or not as aI have not found one

We don't show it anywhere in the UI currently, so the best way to find out is to open the Event Viewer to Level 3 and look for secure messages being sent to/from the device.

[jec6613]

21 hours ago, Chris Jahn said:

We don't show it anywhere in the UI currently, so the best way to find out is to open the Event Viewer to Level 3 and look for secure messages being sent to/from the device.

I'll go through and verify devices.