Z-wave on/off switches with direct association or scenes (to simulate 3-way switch)?

[KeviNH]

Any recommendations for Z-wave on/off toggle switches which work with ISY and also can be setup so two switches directly communicate to act like a 3-way switch?

We need to add a 3-way switch at the far end of a large room, and with the cost of copper wire today, it's going to cost around a hundred bucks just in materials.   Normally I'd do this with Insteon toggles and an Insteon scene, but this location is Z-wave only.

 

Anybody successfully setup a pair of Z-wave toggle switches so they directly control each other instead of requiring a program in the ISY to simulate 3-way switching?

 

[Athlon]

Maybe these?

https://www.thesmartesthouse.com/products/zooz-700-series-z-wave-plus-scene-controller-switch-zen32

I don't own these, by the way.

I do own some ZEN77's. I'm using two of them as a virtual 3-way by using IoP.

 

[peterathans]

Short answer is that there is currently no Polisy support to set up two z-wave switches so they communicate directly and act as a 3-way switch circuit, see this older thread on the subject:

I'm hoping that the new Polisy z-wave interface (coming soon!) will support these features, keeping my fingers crossed...

 

[Dub]

4 hours ago, KeviNH said:

We need to add a 3-way switch at the far end of a large room, and with the cost of copper wire today, it's going to cost around a hundred bucks just in materials.

I have read a thread where it is supported in Polisy but not consistently with all devices and confirm it does with my Zooz hardware.  I tried this week with Zooz gear and could get it to work with the Polisy off, but it was slow....very slow.  And I dont mean a 500 ms slow....Like 10 seconds...Made me think at first it wasn't working.  When I powered back up the Polisy it was instant.

If this is expected behavior I cant recommend it.

I used Basic Scene Ctl 2 on both the responder and the controller.  Then used the option selected below "Z-Wave Basic MC"

I don't understand the protocol enough to know if I did something wrong or if the slow speed was just how it works...but the controller was 10 feet from the responder.  This wasn't a permanent setup, and mainly wanted to test the functionality so I removed the devices from the test scene.

I was using a Zooz: 

Zen71(controller) and Zen77(responder)

For the cost of the materials, personally I would recommend "wire in the wall".  It would give a real 3 way if you need it and options later.

Zooz also has direct wire 3 way switches that only need to replace one switch.  The Zooz Zen 77 can do this and there is a non-dimmer version that can work with dumb 3-way switches as well.  The dumb switch just cant change the brightness like the Z-Wave 

[Athlon]

28 minutes ago, peterathans said:

Short answer is that there is currently no Polisy support to set up two z-wave switches so they communicate directly and act as a 3-way switch circuit

As I said earlier, I am. I'm using a program to do so.

On:

Foyer Light On - [ID 0031][Parent 0001]

If
        'Foyer Aux' is switched On
     Or 'Foyer Light' Status is not Off
 
Then
        Set 'Foyer Light' Fast On
 
Else
   - No Actions - (To add one, press 'Action')
 

That being said, the OP asked if it can be done without having to use an ISY.

EDIT: 'Foyer Light' in the 'Then' statement is a Scene with the two devices in the 'If' statement in it.

Edited August 4, 2022 by Athlon
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[KeviNH]

At home I use a pair of Insteon switches and a scene to do this, the ISY is aware of the state but the switching of the light isn't dependent on a program running, and is nearly instantaneous.   But this site doesn't have a PLM.

Doing it with a program introduces a dependency I would prefer to avoid.