jgraziano Posted November 23, 2007 Posted November 23, 2007 I have a RemoteLinc that I linked two buttons to two LampLincs. But a couple of the other buttons, I just want to read the status into ISY, to control X10 devices, without linking to anything. But it appears ISY won't even see them unless I link those buttons to something. Is that correct? How can I just read the status? Can I just link those buttons to ISY and nothing else? Thanks.
Sub-Routine Posted November 23, 2007 Posted November 23, 2007 That's twist, using an Insteon remote to control X10 I think that the RemoteLinc will not send a command if it has no links to that button. I guess button 1 would always have a link to the ISY.
jgraziano Posted November 23, 2007 Author Posted November 23, 2007 It's looking that way. Like MikeB stated, I might just have to use a dummy LL for linking if I want to do it that way.
Michel Kohanim Posted November 23, 2007 Posted November 23, 2007 jgraziano, What you are witnessing is not normal. There have been cases where RLs are not programmed correctly and that happens when they do not enter programming mode. In all cases, though, when an RL/CL/KPL/SWL/EZxxx (controllers) are linked to ISY, you should immediately see their status when you click on the buttons regardless of them being part of any other scenes or linked to anything else. This might also have to do with the possibility that the RF signal is not reading ISY's PLM. With kind regards, Michel It's looking that way. Like MikeB stated, I might just have to use a dummy LL for linking if I want to do it that way.
jgraziano Posted November 23, 2007 Author Posted November 23, 2007 Hi Michel, thanks for the reply. Happy Thanksgiving! When I originally linked the RL, all of the channels showed up, but the ones that are not linked to anything are not showing anything for status; on or off. And obviously the program did not respond to the status either. When I linked one of those manually to an LL, status started working. You're saying it should not matter whether it's linked or not, the ISY should always read the status? Thx.
jgraziano Posted November 23, 2007 Author Posted November 23, 2007 Ok, I unlinked the LL that I linked to get the RL Ch. D working and the status continues to be read by the ISY, even though it is no longer linked to anything.
Michel Kohanim Posted November 23, 2007 Posted November 23, 2007 jgraziano, When you clicked on the buttons on the RL, the status did not change or where you expecting the status for the buttons even though no buttons were pressed. Happy Thanksgiving to you too! With kind regards, Ok, I unlinked the LL that I linked to get the RL Ch. D working and the status continues to be read by the ISY, even though it is no longer linked to anything.
jgraziano Posted November 23, 2007 Author Posted November 23, 2007 Hi Michel, I linked the RL to the ISY from the Link Management dropdown. I then manually linked two LL to buttons A and B. Those desplay status, either ON or OFF when I click on them on the tree and the status changes if I press the button. For the buttons I did not link anything to, let's say "C", the status field is blank, no ON, no OFF, just blank, and pressing the buttons does not change that. When I link C to something, it comes to life, displaying ON and OFF properly depending on the C button pressed. Even after I defaulted the LL module I linked to C (I could not get it to unlink properly), the status still worked. So, in short, I have to link each button to something before the ISY will see it. Then I can unlink it. So it really isn't that big a deal after all.
MikeB Posted November 23, 2007 Posted November 23, 2007 Hey Michel - I'm seeing the same thing here. On one of my RemoteLincs, I've created links in the ISY for 4 of the buttons. Those show a status in the ISY interface (ON or OFF). The other 2 buttons, however, do not show any status in the ISY interface.
Sub-Routine Posted November 23, 2007 Posted November 23, 2007 Can I get in on this as well? I have three RemoteLincs, one ControLinc and one KeypadLinc (8 button). ISY v 2.4.15. I have never seen statuses from any of these, except the KPL, and then it was always button one, the local load. After I removed, reset, and added back the KPL I was seeing Status from all the buttons. This morning I am only seeing Status from buttons 1 & 5. Although button 2 shows no status the Program Summary correctly indicates it's state. After I toggle the button the Status is displayed correctly. Is the ISY forgetting the status? We have guests for the weekend so I can't play with the KPL or ControLinc much Yesterday I Removed a RemoteLinc from my Insteon system via the ISY, performed a Factory Reset, and added it back. After I activated each button at least once I was seeing Status from all buttons. This morning all the Status fields were blank until I activated each button again. I have no links to any of the buttons. Is the ISY supposed to recall the state of each buttons last press? What happens with Press and Hold? How could it know if I dimmed a scene to off? I understand that a KPL button can have a status, because I can see it. I can see the status of a LampLinc or a SwitchLinc, etc. But I have to wonder about reading a Status from a RemoteLinc or a ControLinc. From what I can see these buttons do not maintain a Status, they simply send a signal. Shouldn't these buttons only be watched for a Control signal? When a press is detected an Action should be taken. I don't understand how the button could/should maintain a Status? I have four buttons on a RemoteLinc that control three Lamplincs and three SwitchLincs. Each button simply sets different levels for the same six devices. When I use the buttons I do not need to turn off one scene to change to the next. So should all four of these buttons have a status of on after I have cycled through them? Shouldn't only the last button pressed be the only one with a status? I'm sorry to be so long, I am just trying to understand how a controller only device can have a status. I think the Status indicator lights on a KPL are, in general, a mistake. Thank you, Rand
jgraziano Posted November 23, 2007 Author Posted November 23, 2007 Well I don't really understand why a controller only would have a status, but I know when it was showing no status, on or off, it would not work in a program. Although the program was actually using the 'control' condition, not the 'status'. I have a CL that is not linked to anything except the ISY. I did that because I wanted to use each button individually under program control, so that gives me twice the number of buttons (albeit 8 times the amount of code!), since I just use the 'on' button as a toggle for a particular lamp: press on, press off. It's been working fine for several weeks now, no amnesia. We'll see how the RL does.
MikeB Posted November 23, 2007 Posted November 23, 2007 I understand that a KPL button can have a status, because I can see it. I can see the status of a LampLinc or a SwitchLinc, etc. But I have to wonder about reading a Status from a RemoteLinc or a ControLinc. From what I can see these buttons do not maintain a Status, they simply send a signal. Shouldn't these buttons only be watched for a Control signal? When a press is detected an Action should be taken. I don't understand how the button could/should maintain a Status? I agree... not showing a current status on the ISY was simply a symptom of the actual problem he found - that his program wouldn't respond to a control when he pressed the remote button.
Michel Kohanim Posted November 23, 2007 Posted November 23, 2007 MikeB, Not even when you click on those buttons on your RL? With kind regards, Michel Hey Michel - I'm seeing the same thing here. On one of my RemoteLincs, I've created links in the ISY for 4 of the buttons. Those show a status in the ISY interface (ON or OFF). The other 2 buttons, however, do not show any status in the ISY interface.
Michel Kohanim Posted November 23, 2007 Posted November 23, 2007 jgraziano, A controller only has an implied status which is used for some predictive algorithms we've developed. The buttons on RL/CL/KPL should all report back any interactions thereto to ISY. i.e. if you press on any of the KPL/CL/RL buttons, on the corresponding node under My Lighting, you should see their status change. If this does not happen, then, there are MISSING links in the PLM (the PLM should have a slave link to each and every button on CL/RL/KPL). Do you see the status of those buttons change when you physically press them? If not, then we have to figure out why your PLM does not have those links. In most cases, Restore Device fixes this issue but, in the case of RL, you have to make sure RL is put into programming mode. With kind regards, Michel Well I don't really understand why a controller only would have a status, but I know when it was showing no status, on or off, it would not work in a program. Although the program was actually using the 'control' condition, not the 'status'.I have a CL that is not linked to anything except the ISY. I did that because I wanted to use each button individually under program control, so that gives me twice the number of buttons (albeit 8 times the amount of code!), since I just use the 'on' button as a toggle for a particular lamp: press on, press off. It's been working fine for several weeks now, no amnesia. We'll see how the RL does.
jgraziano Posted November 23, 2007 Author Posted November 23, 2007 Hi Michel, well, the implied status was a pretty good indicator as to whether or not it will work in a program based on the control status. Haven't tried restore, but I am absolutely certain that as soon as I created a link to a device, the status started showing up.
Michel Kohanim Posted November 25, 2007 Posted November 25, 2007 jgraziano, I believe you! Please do let me know the outcome of your endeavors. Thanks so very much, With kind regards, Michel Hi Michel, well, the implied status was a pretty good indicator as to whether or not it will work in a program based on the control status.Haven't tried restore, but I am absolutely certain that as soon as I created a link to a device, the status started showing up.
MikeB Posted November 26, 2007 Posted November 26, 2007 Not even when you click on those buttons on your RL? Sorry for the delay in getting back to you. You're correct - when I click those buttons, it does fill in the status on the ISY. Doh!
Michel Kohanim Posted November 26, 2007 Posted November 26, 2007 Mike, No problem! Thanks for the update. With kind regards, Michel Not even when you click on those buttons on your RL? Sorry for the delay in getting back to you. You're correct - when I click those buttons, it does fill in the status on the ISY. Doh!
bill02888 Posted February 12, 2009 Posted February 12, 2009 Thanks to the OP for posing this question! I was having the same problem; my RemoteLinc keys 1, 2, and 3 were being tracked by the ISY but keys 4, 5, and 6 were being completely ignored. Now I see it's because the PLM wasn't tracking their status. I used Restore Device for the missing buttons and now the ISY sees on and off from all 6 RL buttons! (I did have to repeat the process several times because the RL sometimes exited programming mode unexpectedly/prematurely part way through the process.) Thanks to all! Bill
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