Issues after installing Tesla powerwall 3

[bigDvette]

3 hours ago, richtimpa said:

When replace an Insta switch with one of those switches, do you have to rewrite all the programs or can you do a replace like you do when an Insteon switch goes bad to replace it with a new one or do you have to search and replace on all your programs.

I didn’t go zwave, I’m going to hop over to matter and thread and go all in home assistant on lighting control and deal with all the ugly new tech issues in favor of future development potential .  I’ve been happy with Insteon and isy for 20 years but running dual plugins to get apple home devices … has been a lot of work so moving programs to HA.  Already have stuff I like better with what I have had with Insteon, but finding ways around them until matter binding is implemented.  

[richtimpa]

4 hours ago, bigDvette said:

Where is this setting?  I don’t think I see that setting in the Tesla 1 app.

It’s under this  I changed it to 2.5 as it seemed it was worse when set to 1.5  

the Pics are from the Tesla manual so ignore the pics say 50hz  fyi

 

 

Edited December 28, 2024 by richtimpa
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[richtimpa]

So any other updates from anyone in resolving these issues with powerwall 3?

[bigDvette]

1 hour ago, richtimpa said:

So any other updates from anyone in resolving these issues with powerwall 3?

Not for me.  I took apart every light switch box in my house and changed to inovelli matter switches.  As I went I tested every circuit and did find a neutral load wire that must be grounded somewhere. I removed it and checked everything and still get flickering. 
 

the new switches do not blink.  I have left my KPLs in the loop for now to give all my leak sensors a dual channel path and to do some scene controlling but mine are hooked to a load.  
 

I am going to leave 1 room Insteon only for when Tesla come out. I tried the little devices you wore between neutral and load to reduce flicker but I’m wondering if I should have tried working in front of the switch.  I’m still playing with options to remove flickering.  My communication and errors have calmed down once I moved the ppm to the furthest location electrically from the powerwall3.

 

[richtimpa]

22 hours ago, bigDvette said:

Not for me.  I took apart every light switch box in my house and changed to inovelli matter switches.  As I went I tested every circuit and did find a neutral load wire that must be grounded somewhere. I removed it and checked everything and still get flickering. 
 

the new switches do not blink.  I have left my KPLs in the loop for now to give all my leak sensors a dual channel path and to do some scene controlling but mine are hooked to a load.  
 

I am going to leave 1 room Insteon only for when Tesla come out. I tried the little devices you wore between neutral and load to reduce flicker but I’m wondering if I should have tried working in front of the switch.  I’m still playing with options to remove flickering.  My communication and errors have calmed down once I moved the ppm to the furthest location electrically from the powerwall3.

 

Well, I am glad to hear that that brand of switch doesn’t blink. My only problem with moving over to them is the fact that if I use something like Z wave, my. Eisy would require extensive reprogramming on the replacement in on switches since eisy provides easy replacement of Insteon without reprogramming. I currently do not want to convert off of. Eisy at the present time.  The other main issue is that why saw a small improvement in communication errors being reduced perhaps while putting in. A Xpnr on each of the two power walls, I still see issues with communication on queries. I would really love to try to resolve the communication issue and I’ve been looking for a solution on that.  

[richtimpa]

We’ll still working on this problem anyone have any updates?

[jkraus]

On 12/27/2024 at 2:15 PM, bigDvette said:

inovelli

Where did you get the switch?  I have one flickering that I don’t even care if it was a smart switch. I just want to use it like a regular dimmer to eliminate the flickering that I’m getting.

[btreinders]

The only update I would have is that I am not just seeing the flickering with Insteon, I am seeing it with zwave dimmers too.  Seems like maybe only seeing it with dimmers?  I am not seeing with zwave non-dimmers for sure.  At least the zwave dimmers don't have the comm issues.

[jkraus]

OH MY!  so ther is no dimmer that is working with Powerwall 3?

[bigDvette]

5 hours ago, btreinders said:

The only update I would have is that I am not just seeing the flickering with Insteon, I am seeing it with zwave dimmers too.  Seems like maybe only seeing it with dimmers?  I am not seeing with zwave non-dimmers for sure.  At least the zwave dimmers don't have the comm issues.

I haven’t seen anything on zwave. It is definitely only dimmers and KPL dimmers.  On/off no problem.  I can also see the leds in the kpl lighly flicker.

My belief is the triac based dimmers are sensitive to some noise and are susceptible to phase changes. The pw3 must be generating noise in to the ac current but my ups and my monitoring  don’t show voltage drops so maybe it’s here is some phase inversion when charging?  If I set battery back to make it not charge it stops flickering.  So the inverter kicking on and off must be causing the issues.

I’ve left Insteon in 1 room so if Tesla ever comes out we can look at the problem.  

[jkraus]

sorry, not clear to me if you are saying the inovelli matter switches are solving this or not?  If they are not familar with these switches, will they work with standard polisy or do I need to upgrade (Zmatter, Eisy)?

Edited yesterday at 05:12 AM by jkraus

[bigDvette]

Sorry, I am not using these with ISY.  They do have zwave versions of these switches I have not tried as. I get no flickering with these switches. 

[jkraus]

actually, In my most critical situation I don’t even care it they are "smart" or not, don’t even need isy, just need a reliable dimmer (non-smart), can you tell me the model number?  If they make a non-smart version even better and probably cheaper, but will pay whatever

Edited yesterday at 05:49 AM by jkraus

[jkraus]

my problem is lot of flicker at low setting on a under cabinet strip LED, would love to solve the issue

[richtimpa]

2 hours ago, bigDvette said:

I haven’t seen anything on zwave. It is definitely only dimmers and KPL dimmers.  On/off no problem.  I can also see the leds in the kpl lighly flicker.

My belief is the triac based dimmers are sensitive to some noise and are susceptible to phase changes. The pw3 must be generating noise in to the ac current but my ups and my monitoring  don’t show voltage drops so maybe it’s here is some phase inversion when charging?  If I set battery back to make it not charge it stops flickering.  So the inverter kicking on and off must be causing the issues.

I’ve left Insteon in 1 room so if Tesla ever comes out we can look at the problem.  

While I definitely understand that the flickering is a bit annoying or pulsing. In my case, the secondary and more important issue is I find that with the power wall active, I see a lot more communication issues with.Eisy. 
 

ideally, I would like to figure out how to eliminate the communication issues that the power wall seems to be causing.  I have installed two of the XPNR filters.(one on each leg.) within the power wall to see if that helped. i’m not 100% sure but it may have helped a little bit.  Regardless, I still have some communication issues, and I even temporarily tried moving the PLM to another socket to see if that helped.  I only tried moving it to one other socket. It didn’t seem to make a difference.  I even tried replacing my old PLM with a brand new one to see if that helped.

since I only have some pulsing on a few of the lights, I definitely consider the Insteon communication issue a much bigger problem that I would like to address.

 

does anyone have any ideas on what could help?

Edited yesterday at 06:42 AM by richtimpa

[jkraus]

agreed, I have the exact same issuse and would like to reolve, but right now the one bothering my wife, then of course me, is the non-smare dimmer flickering, so again if you could provide a model number of the inovelli matter switches, much appreciated

[richtimpa]

6 minutes ago, jkraus said:

agreed, I have the exact same issuse and would like to reolve, but right now the one bothering my wife, then of course me, is the non-smare dimmer flickering, so again if you could provide a model number of the inovelli matter switches, much appreciated

Fwiw someone said these don’t flicker

https://inovelli.com/products/z-wave-800-red-series-smart-2-1-on-off-dimmer-switch?variant=41767605534885

 

again I’ll ask what could help comm issues

[IndyMike]

@jkraus, I don't have a Powerwall but I've used the Zooz Zen77 dimmers (Z-wave) in a number of problem installs where flickering was an issue.  They are rather inexpensive compared to Insteon and can be used with mechanical switches in 3-way configurations (no need for slave switches).

Since this appears to be an overall "power quality" issue affecting dimmers in general, Lutron would be another option (smart or otherwise).  If shopping for Lutron, look for devices that incorporate RTISS (Real Time Illumination Stability System)

https://assets.lutron.com/a/documents/power_quality.pdf

[bigDvette]

6 hours ago, jkraus said:

agreed, I have the exact same issuse and would like to reolve, but right now the one bothering my wife, then of course me, is the non-smare dimmer flickering, so again if you could provide a model number of the inovelli matter switches, much appreciated

If you go to inovelli.com there is only one version of white(matter) dimmer switch.  If you have eisy I would try the red version that is zwave if you want to put in to your automation.

 

 

[jkraus]

thanks!!

[firstone]

10 hours ago, bigDvette said:

My belief is the triac based dimmers are sensitive to some noise and are susceptible to phase changes. The pw3 must be generating noise in to the ac current but my ups and my monitoring  don’t show voltage drops

Kind of makes me wonder if this noise or fluctuations might be slowly ruining any kind of equipment that is not plugged into UPS.

[paulbates]

Has any one tried with this with insteon i3 paddles? I only have those as switches which have not flickered, but 2 micro dimmer modules in scenes with the i3s that occasionally do. It's not all the time but I can recreate it sometimes getting the modules to flicker when generating insteon traffic. It usually takes actions that are not normal, eg turning the same switch on/off several times back to back.

It's all the same brand/model of recessed led lights. They're all older, ~5 years old. If the comment level gets high enough, I'll try swapping the problem locations with newer recessed leds.

I believe the i3s are triacs too which probably makes this a long shot, but alternatives to the are being discussed here.

[btreinders]

These are the Zwave dimmers that are flickering for me.  https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0C6P4NDSV?ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_fed_asin_title&th=1

[IndyMike]

13 hours ago, bigDvette said:

I haven’t seen anything on zwave. It is definitely only dimmers and KPL dimmers.  On/off no problem.  I can also see the leds in the kpl lighly flicker.

My belief is the triac based dimmers are sensitive to some noise and are susceptible to phase changes. The pw3 must be generating noise in to the ac current but my ups and my monitoring  don’t show voltage drops so maybe it’s here is some phase inversion when charging?  If I set battery back to make it not charge it stops flickering.  So the inverter kicking on and off must be causing the issues.

I’ve left Insteon in 1 room so if Tesla ever comes out we can look at the problem.  

Have a look at the Lutron white paper below.  It goes into details on the types of powerline noise that can cause flicker in dimmers.  One of the big offenders is noise at the zero crossing.  Since Insteon communicates at the Zero crossing, noise at that point would absolutely detract from communication.

In summary, the Inovelli devices you chose communicate well because to don't need the powerline (RF only).  They don't flicker because they have a good powerline filter to provide consistent drive levels to the triac. 

https://assets.lutron.com/a/documents/power_quality.pdf  

[CoolToys]

Anyone tried the Leviton 42120?  I had some issues when I added solar.  I can't say for sure this fixed it but it is a whole house filter?  It might filter out both sides though.  X-10 recommended it to me 30 years ago so they have been in every house since.