java issues ...it think

[cwhite951]

SO I'm in the middle of swapping everything over to a new computer along with Windows 11 (10 on the old one). I was having some issues with the ISY994 on the old one so I picked up an eisy to use with the new set up. I'm still running both computers and I can connect to the ISY with the old one. it looks like I can connect with the new computer but I get a Java error and cant get to the ISY launcher to work - Java error screen attached.

I am not fluent in Java.....help!

[paulbates]

The journey that got you to this point is not clear. What steps did you take to get to that point?

[Geddy]

@cwhite951 agreeing with @paulbates about knowing the steps you took to this point, but also would ask what version of Java did you download? If you just go to java.com and download the current release found there (currently showing: Version 8 Update 431 [Release Date: October 15, 2024]) that's all you need. Often times people will download a different java version and it's not going to run correctly without a lot of work. 

Next be sure no VPN or Anti-virus software is running.

Then just a random thought is run the "Configure Java" app (in Windows just hit the Windows icon to open the menu and type in "java" and "Configure Java" should come up as an app. Once that is open click on the Advanced tab. Scroll to (near) the bottom and make sure to UNCHECK "Use SSL 2.0 compatible ClientHello format" if it's currently checked. (It more than likely shouldn't be, but just in case something caused it to be checked be sure to uncheck it. 

Lastly, just double check that start.jnlp is associated with Java Web Launcher. Open windows explorer and locate your start.jnlp file, right click, and select properties. In the "Opens with" portion it should show "Java(TM) Web Launcher". If it's not showing that you need to change what it opens with "javaws" (it's being put in different places here and there. I'm on Win10 and found it in "C:\Program Files\Java\jre1.8.0_431\bin". (more than likely you won't have to get into this amount of fixing it though)

[apostolakisl]

try downloading the java uninstaller and completely remove java.  then install fresh making sure you get the version talked about above.

Java is just a PITA in my opinion.  Can't wait for Benoit to get the web interface running.

[cwhite951]

deleted Java and reinstalled it - works now. This is on a brand new machine. I installed Java update but it looks like it didn't work out the first time.

My journey is long and old....i set u p my ISY994 over 10 years ago and learned a lot of stuff. I have close to 100 devices with scenes, voice control and such. ran great for 10 years. last year the scenes quit working and I spent a while trying to track in down. PLM was iffy, replaced it and still had issues. too busy to go into 'self learning ' mode (im am getting old enough that I have forgot a lot of the good stuff i figured out 10 years ago). As part of the switch to the new computer I bought a new eisy and now I am migrating to that and will see what i can do about being sceneless. 

Getting a new machine and a new operating system makes for lots of work!

so the Java thing is cured, now on to the scene issues (need the new USB PLM first!) still running on the 994.

[apostolakisl]

27 minutes ago, cwhite951 said:

deleted Java and reinstalled it - works now. This is on a brand new machine. I installed Java update but it looks like it didn't work out the first time.

My journey is long and old....i set u p my ISY994 over 10 years ago and learned a lot of stuff. I have close to 100 devices with scenes, voice control and such. ran great for 10 years. last year the scenes quit working and I spent a while trying to track in down. PLM was iffy, replaced it and still had issues. too busy to go into 'self learning ' mode (im am getting old enough that I have forgot a lot of the good stuff i figured out 10 years ago). As part of the switch to the new computer I bought a new eisy and now I am migrating to that and will see what i can do about being sceneless. 

Getting a new machine and a new operating system makes for lots of work!

so the Java thing is cured, now on to the scene issues (need the new USB PLM first!) still running on the 994.

I assume when you say you lost your scenes, you mean that they aren't working when initiated from ISY.  I have never heard of an entire Insteon install losing its scenes.  By that I mean, if you have a scene linking say 4 Insteon devices together, then using one of those 4 devices to control the scene would still work regardless of ISY or the PLM.

Scenes aren't native to ISY, they are native to Insteon.  You could unplug ISY and your Insteon scenes would still all work between Insteon devices.  A device, like ISY, when connected to a PLM becomes a defacto Insteon device.  When you use ISY to create/modify a scene, ISY tells the PLM what you want and then the PLM creates all the Insteon links on all of the Insteon devices involved.  The PLM ends up being a member of every scene.  ISY is just the "boss" telling the PLM what to do, but the PLM is what actually does it.

So suspect you have a PLM issue, not an ISY issue.  ISY lets you restore all of the data that was on the PLM should your PLM die.  This should put your ISY right back to normal.

[cwhite951]

sorry, i should be more specific!

I cant get the Scenes to work that are initiated by the ISY. Insteon buttons that have been programmed with a scene work fine.

I can voice control induvial devices but not ISY scenes. I have reprogrammed the PLC (i have two of them) and the ISY says they are communicating fine. I cannot turn on a ISY scene via the ISY (voice or PC). The admin console reports back hte device condition and I can turn individual devises on / off from the PC - but the ISY scene dont respond and the status is wrong. So it looks (to me) like the PLM is doing some of its job.

thanks for the help!

[cwhite951]

one other detail - i can successfully voice command individual devices without an acknowledgment from an echo device but if I ask of a scene I get an 'ok' but nothing happens. ?

[apostolakisl]

I would factory reset your new PLM, then restore from ISY.

You can also check your PLM links table and compare it to the ISY links table.  Under tools/diagnostics.