dnl Posted December 20, 2015 Author Posted December 20, 2015 Hi All, This post is quite long-in-the-tooth (and good)... I am new to all of this. Can anyone point me to the latest and greatest to learn ISY programming, but using the new variables, event programming, etc, starting with event concepts etc, using variables. I'm scared of learning concepts here, that may no longer apply using variables, etc Thanks! Larryllix summed it pretty well. There is a link near the bottom of the first post. Follow that link to a thread that discusses using variables in the programming structure.
autoperformance Posted March 14, 2016 Posted March 14, 2016 (edited) Hi everybody, I just wondering if it's possible to trigger some switch (Insteon) who miss the first signal to goes ON...or Goes OFF. Here my program...very simple, but I'm a beginner in programmation. So here the problem: Since the installation of a new smart meter installed by my power company and operating on the same frequency as the Insteon switches, some switches not always trigger at the first time. Some device near the smart meter need to be trigger 2 or 3 times before to execute the command. So is there a way to send the signal again? Maybe 3 or 4 time the under the next 10 min. Thank you for your help Front House Light - [iD 0002][Parent 0001] If From Sunset + 30 minutes To 10:00:00PM (same day) Then Set Scene 'Front Lighting' On Else Wait 30 minutes (Random) Set Scene 'Front Lighting' Off Edited March 14, 2016 by autoperformance
larryllix Posted March 14, 2016 Posted March 14, 2016 Hi everybody, I just wondering if it's possible to trigger some switch (Insteon) who miss the first signal to goes ON...or Goes OFF. Here my program...very simple, but I'm a beginner in programmation. So here the problem: Since the installation of a new smart meter installed by my power company and operating on the same frequency as the Insteon switches, some switches not always trigger at the first time. Some device near the smart meter need to be trigger 2 or 3 times before to execute the command. So is there a way to send the signal again? Maybe 3 or 4 time the under the next 10 min. Thank you for your help Front House Light - [iD 0002][Parent 0001] If From Sunset + 30 minutes To 10:00:00PM (same day) Then Set Scene 'Front Lighting' On Else Wait 30 minutes (Random) Set Scene 'Front Lighting' Off Sure. Use the Wait command and repeat the line. This need to be investigated further as Insteon uses two different frequencies and mediums or transmission, powerlines and RF. It is not likely the meter uses the same frequency. Front House Light - [iD 0002][Parent 0001] If From Sunset + 30 minutes To 10:00:00PM (same day) Then Set Scene 'Front Lighting' On Wait 3 seconds Set Scene 'Front Lighting' On Wait 3 seconds Set Scene 'Front Lighting' On Else Wait 30 minutes (Random) Set Scene 'Front Lighting' Off Wait 5 seconds Set Scene 'Front Lighting' Off Wait 5 seconds Set Scene 'Front Lighting' Off
jerlands Posted March 14, 2016 Posted March 14, 2016 So here the problem: Since the installation of a new smart meter installed by my power company and operating on the same frequency as the Insteon switches, some switches not always trigger at the first time. Which smart meter did they install? Jon...
stusviews Posted March 14, 2016 Posted March 14, 2016 You can use a repeat statement. If that works, lower the number or repeats, if not the raise the number. If From Sunset + 30 minutes To 10:00:00PM (same day) Then Repeat 5 times Set Scene 'Front Lighting' On Else Wait 30 minutes (Random) Repeat 5 times Set Scene 'Front Lighting' Off
autoperformance Posted March 14, 2016 Posted March 14, 2016 (edited) Which smart meter did they install? Jon... Elster http://www.elster.com/en/electricity By the way thank you everybody, I will make some test with those modification in the program and I will see if the problem still there or not. Edited March 14, 2016 by autoperformance
jerlands Posted March 14, 2016 Posted March 14, 2016 (edited) Elster http://www.elster.com/en/electricity "The REX2 meter provides communication to the two-way Elster 900 MHz EA_LAN and to the ZigBee 2.4 GHz network" I don't know but imagine all of their meters operate on the same frequencies? That said... Insteon operates on 915Mhz and I don't think 900Mhz would interfere. I suspect you have other issues and possibly induced by noise. You might check the circuits the lights are on and see if removing LED bulbs or electronics has positive effect. Also, you can check comms by opening Event Viewer to Level 3, operating the suspect switches in admin console, copy to clipboard (clipboard looking icon) and paste trace into message post. As pointed out by Larry, better solution is to solve the comm issue if possible. Jon... Edited March 14, 2016 by jerlands
larryllix Posted March 14, 2016 Posted March 14, 2016 "The REX2 meter provides communication to the two-way Elster 900 MHz EA_LAN and to the ZigBee 2.4 GHz network" I don't know but imagine all of their meters operate on the same frequencies? That said... Insteon operates on 915Mhz and I don't think 900Mhz would interfere. I suspect you have other issues and possibly induced by noise. You might check the circuits the lights are on and see if removing LED bulbs or electronics has positive effect. Also, you can check comms by opening Event Viewer to Level 3, operating the suspect switches in admin console, copy to clipboard (clipboard looking icon) and paste trace into message post. As pointed out by Larry, better solution is to solve the comm issue if possible. Jon... If it really comes down to the last straw....call your utility and ask them to pull the meter for a few minutes while you run some tests with your system. You may get better response by flagging down a truck on the street or making up a story about your meter making a strange noise. LOL Have your tests ready before they get there Who knows? The meter could have a radio out of spec or crashing.
jerlands Posted March 14, 2016 Posted March 14, 2016 (edited) If it really comes down to the last straw....call your utility and ask them to pull the meter for a few minutes while you run some tests with your system. You may get better response by flagging down a truck on the street or making up a story about your meter making a strange noise. LOL Have your tests ready before they get there Who knows? The meter could have a radio out of spec or crashing. REX2(R2S)meter is both a smart metering endpoint and gateway into the home, supporting both 900 MHz and 2.4 GHz ZigBee communications Zigbee operates at same frequency as Insteon (915Mhz) but supposedly (pg. 17) doesn't cause interference. If they were to pull the meter they'd have to swap it out and I doubt plug-n-play? Jon... Edited March 14, 2016 by jerlands
stusviews Posted March 14, 2016 Posted March 14, 2016 Anything even close to 915Mhz can interfere, depending on how the signal is modulated. Z-Wave uses 908.42Mhz and doesn't interfere. Some cordless phones in that range interfere, some don't. Baby monitors are especially notorious.
larryllix Posted March 15, 2016 Posted March 15, 2016 (edited) Anything even close to 915Mhz can interfere, depending on how the signal is modulated. Z-Wave uses 908.42Mhz and doesn't interfere. Some cordless phones in that range interfere, some don't. Baby monitors are especially notorious. Or double or triple or half the frequency. Even two frequencies generate a mix of the sum and difference between frequencies as a side effect (beat frequency), so again.... who knows? This radio metering stuff is all new to utilities so I am sure if you explained your problem they would accommodate you to investigate. These electronic meters only last 10 years at best instead of the 32 year average for the old mechanical ones.If there is a problem the utility want to know about it before they buy another 100,000 units. Edited March 15, 2016 by larryllix 1
stusviews Posted March 15, 2016 Posted March 15, 2016 Or double or triple or half the frequency. Actually any duple product, sum or difference. Even a dividend, but not a divinity. These electronic meters only last 10 years at best instead of the 32 year average for the old mechanical ones Link? Thanks
larryllix Posted March 15, 2016 Posted March 15, 2016 (edited) Actually any duple product, sum or difference. Even a dividend, but not a divinity. Link? Thanks Just worked in that field for 34 years. I don't know where this would be publicly revealed but IIRC Ontario Hydro established the averages for accounting purposes based on their few million units. The mechanical units were put out for 12 years and then about 5-10% sampled and the group left out for another 2,4,6 or 8 years before another sample was done. Short of newer and cheaper metals for the gears nothing ever went wrong with such a simple device. The CPU based units are put out for 6, or 8 years and brought in 100% due to lack of reliability. Much of the short lifespan is due to technology obsolescence so far as things are really changing in that field. A lot of this was due to the offering of proprietary radio systems that utilities jumped into before de facto standards were established. Surges take their toll and CPUs can make readings jump at any digit in the reading, go backwards, blank, or display garbage. We can thank our thoughtless politicians for costing us billions of dollars to throw non-recyclable meters in the garbage, in Ontario, over a two year period, just to raise the cost of energy. I sat face to face with the one responsible, here, and felt like kicking him where it hurts.. grrrr..... Politician shouldn't be involved in decisions. An electronic meter with a CPU and a digital radio with all the bells and whistles that sells for $22-$28 is bound to have problems. hmmmm... that may have been $18 the last time I heard. http://www.emfwise.com/smartmeters.php This article states 12-15 years and 50 years for mechanical types but from Ontario Hydro surveys those figures are too high. Heck, I spent my first dozen years (late 70s) working with GE I-30A meters. The number tells the first year released. Edited March 15, 2016 by larryllix 1
Michel Kohanim Posted March 15, 2016 Posted March 15, 2016 Hello all, Just a note: regular ZigBee radios operate at 2.4Ghz just like WiFi (500 and 900 Mhz are rare). With kind regards, Michel
autoperformance Posted March 16, 2016 Posted March 16, 2016 "The REX2 meter provides communication to the two-way Elster 900 MHz EA_LAN and to the ZigBee 2.4 GHz network" I don't know but imagine all of their meters operate on the same frequencies? That said... Insteon operates on 915Mhz and I don't think 900Mhz would interfere. I suspect you have other issues and possibly induced by noise. You might check the circuits the lights are on and see if removing LED bulbs or electronics has positive effect. Also, you can check comms by opening Event Viewer to Level 3, operating the suspect switches in admin console, copy to clipboard (clipboard looking icon) and paste trace into message post. As pointed out by Larry, better solution is to solve the comm issue if possible. Jon... should I keep the event viewer open for awhile ?
jerlands Posted March 16, 2016 Posted March 16, 2016 should I keep the event viewer open for awhile ? After operating the devices copy then post back results. No need to keep it open after issuing an on off for a couple devices. Jon...
autoperformance Posted March 16, 2016 Posted March 16, 2016 "The REX2 meter provides communication to the two-way Elster 900 MHz EA_LAN and to the ZigBee 2.4 GHz network" I don't know but imagine all of their meters operate on the same frequencies? That said... Insteon operates on 915Mhz and I don't think 900Mhz would interfere. I suspect you have other issues and possibly induced by noise. You might check the circuits the lights are on and see if removing LED bulbs or electronics has positive effect. Also, you can check comms by opening Event Viewer to Level 3, operating the suspect switches in admin console, copy to clipboard (clipboard looking icon) and paste trace into message post. As pointed out by Larry, better solution is to solve the comm issue if possible. Jon... Here what I have in the event viewer: mer. 03/16/2016 18:46:26 : [ Time] 18:46:26 2(0) mer. 03/16/2016 18:56:25 : [ Time] 18:56:25 2(0) mer. 03/16/2016 18:59:39 : [ IR] 00AA Press mer. 03/16/2016 19:09:39 : [ Time] 19:09:40 2(0) mer. 03/16/2016 19:15:20 : [ IR] 016A Press mer. 03/16/2016 19:20:11 : [ Time] 19:20:12 2(0) mer. 03/16/2016 19:20:11 : [iNST-TX-I1 ] 02 62 00 00 10 CF 11 00 mer. 03/16/2016 19:20:11 : [iNST-ACK ] 02 62 00.00.10 CF 11 00 06 LTONRR (00) mer. 03/16/2016 19:20:11 : [ 23 5F D4 1] ST 255 mer. 03/16/2016 19:20:11 : [ 29 C9 82 1] ST 255 mer. 03/16/2016 19:20:11 : [ 2B 69 2D 1] ST 255 mer. 03/16/2016 19:20:12 : [iNST-TX-I1 ] 02 62 00 00 10 CF 11 00 mer. 03/16/2016 19:20:12 : [iNST-ACK ] 02 62 00.00.10 CF 11 00 06 LTONRR (00) mer. 03/16/2016 19:20:13 : [iNST-TX-I1 ] 02 62 00 00 10 CF 11 00 mer. 03/16/2016 19:20:13 : [iNST-ACK ] 02 62 00.00.10 CF 11 00 06 LTONRR (00) mer. 03/16/2016 19:20:14 : [iNST-TX-I1 ] 02 62 00 00 10 CF 11 00 mer. 03/16/2016 19:20:14 : [iNST-ACK ] 02 62 00.00.10 CF 11 00 06 LTONRR (00) mer. 03/16/2016 19:20:15 : [iNST-TX-I1 ] 02 62 00 00 10 CF 11 00 mer. 03/16/2016 19:20:15 : [iNST-ACK ] 02 62 00.00.10 CF 11 00 06 LTONRR (00) mer. 03/16/2016 19:30:10 : [ Time] 19:30:12 2(0) mer. 03/16/2016 19:40:10 : [ Time] 19:40:11 2(0) mer. 03/16/2016 19:50:11 : [ Time] 19:50:12 2(0)
jerlands Posted March 17, 2016 Posted March 17, 2016 Ok.. I'll guess I'm not familiar with ISY IR but looks like you've linked a number of devices to transmitter buttons 3 of which seem to respond but 10.CF.11 doesn't? Which device is 10.CF.11? If you use the admin console and active 10.CF.11 on/off you should get hops left= Jon...
jerlands Posted March 17, 2016 Posted March 17, 2016 (edited) Just noticed the time differences and possibly IR has nothing to do with it? Also not familiar with "mer." which should read as the day Wed? Edit: I see it's French. Jon... Edited March 17, 2016 by jerlands
autoperformance Posted March 17, 2016 Posted March 17, 2016 (edited) Just noticed the time differences and possibly IR has nothing to do with it? Also not familiar with "mer." which should read as the day Wed? Edit: I see it's French. Jon... Yess exactly it's french I'll check why the IR is activated :-/ I don't use it so...? My 2477d switch are : mer. 03/16/2016 19:20:11 : [ 23 5F D4 1] ST 255 mer. 03/16/2016 19:20:11 : [ 29 C9 82 1] ST 255 mer. 03/16/2016 19:20:11 : [ 2B 69 2D 1] ST 255 The 10.CF.11 I really don't know what it is? The Isy or the PLM maybe. I will try to investigate about that. I keep you in touch. Thanks Oh by the way I repeat 5 time the program because I had some problems with device It's the reason you see mer. 03/16/2016 19:20:11 : [iNST-TX-I1 ] 02 62 00 00 10 CF 11 00 mer. 03/16/2016 19:20:11 : [iNST-ACK ] 02 62 00.00.10 CF 11 00 06 LTONRR (00) Five times Edited March 17, 2016 by autoperformance
jerlands Posted March 17, 2016 Posted March 17, 2016 (edited) Yes, probably PLM... but I believe you have Event Viewer open to Level 1? You need to open it up to Level 3. Just click the drop down menu and select. Here's what a level 3 trace looks like for 2477d Wed 03/16/2016 07:54:11 PM : [iNST-TX-I1 ] 02 62 38 03 52 0F 11 FFWed 03/16/2016 07:54:11 PM : [iNST-ACK ] 02 62 38.03.52 0F 11 FF 06 LTONRR (FF)Wed 03/16/2016 07:54:11 PM : [iNST-SRX ] 02 50 38.03.52 30.6C.FB 2F 11 FF LTONRR (FF)Wed 03/16/2016 07:54:11 PM : [std-Direct Ack] 38.03.52-->ISY/PLM Group=0, Max Hops=3, Hops Left=3Wed 03/16/2016 07:54:15 PM : [iNST-TX-I1 ] 02 62 38 03 52 0F 13 00Wed 03/16/2016 07:54:15 PM : [iNST-ACK ] 02 62 38.03.52 0F 13 00 06 LTOFFRR(00)Wed 03/16/2016 07:54:15 PM : [iNST-SRX ] 02 50 38.03.52 30.6C.FB 2F 13 00 LTOFFRR(00)Wed 03/16/2016 07:54:15 PM : [std-Direct Ack] 38.03.52-->ISY/PLM Group=0, Max Hops=3, Hops Left=3Wed 03/16/2016 07:54:15 PM : [D2D EVENT ] Event [38 3 52 1] [sT] [0] uom=100 prec=0Wed 03/16/2016 07:54:15 PM : [ 38 3 52 1] ST 0 (uom=100 prec=0)Wed 03/16/2016 07:54:15 PM : [D2D-CMP 00BD] STS [38 3 52 1] ST Converted values Event=0 Condition=0 prec=0Wed 03/16/2016 07:54:15 PM : [D2D-CMP 00BD] STS [38 3 52 1] ST op=6 Event(val=0 uom=100 prec=0) != Condition(val=0 uom=51 prec=0) --> false Jon... Edited March 17, 2016 by jerlands
stusviews Posted March 17, 2016 Posted March 17, 2016 The 10.CF.11 I really don't know what it is? The Isy or the PLM maybe. I will try to investigate about that. My Lighting, click on Address to sort all of your devices by Insteon ID. Tools > Diagnostics > PLM Info/Status will give you the Insteon ID of the PLM.
autoperformance Posted March 17, 2016 Posted March 17, 2016 (edited) Yes, probably PLM... but I believe you have Event Viewer open to Level 1? You need to open it up to Level 3. Just click the drop down menu and select. Here's what a level 3 trace looks like for 2477d Wed 03/16/2016 07:54:11 PM : [iNST-TX-I1 ] 02 62 38 03 52 0F 11 FF Wed 03/16/2016 07:54:11 PM : [iNST-ACK ] 02 62 38.03.52 0F 11 FF 06 LTONRR (FF) Wed 03/16/2016 07:54:11 PM : [iNST-SRX ] 02 50 38.03.52 30.6C.FB 2F 11 FF LTONRR (FF) Wed 03/16/2016 07:54:11 PM : [std-Direct Ack] 38.03.52-->ISY/PLM Group=0, Max Hops=3, Hops Left=3 Wed 03/16/2016 07:54:15 PM : [iNST-TX-I1 ] 02 62 38 03 52 0F 13 00 Wed 03/16/2016 07:54:15 PM : [iNST-ACK ] 02 62 38.03.52 0F 13 00 06 LTOFFRR(00) Wed 03/16/2016 07:54:15 PM : [iNST-SRX ] 02 50 38.03.52 30.6C.FB 2F 13 00 LTOFFRR(00) Wed 03/16/2016 07:54:15 PM : [std-Direct Ack] 38.03.52-->ISY/PLM Group=0, Max Hops=3, Hops Left=3 Wed 03/16/2016 07:54:15 PM : [D2D EVENT ] Event [38 3 52 1] [sT] [0] uom=100 prec=0 Wed 03/16/2016 07:54:15 PM : [ 38 3 52 1] ST 0 (uom=100 prec=0) Wed 03/16/2016 07:54:15 PM : [D2D-CMP 00BD] STS [38 3 52 1] ST Converted values Event=0 Condition=0 prec=0 Wed 03/16/2016 07:54:15 PM : [D2D-CMP 00BD] STS [38 3 52 1] ST op=6 Event(val=0 uom=100 prec=0) != Condition(val=0 uom=51 prec=0) --> false Jon... No I'm ok. It's the event viewer #3 Edited March 17, 2016 by autoperformance
autoperformance Posted March 17, 2016 Posted March 17, 2016 Parlez-vous anglais? Jon... I write English but for speaking it hard to me.... we have less time to think Mais je parle très bien Français LOL.
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