Assessing limits of 99i

[paauto]

Is there a way to assess if I am reaching the limits of my 99i regarding number of scenes, devices, etc.? I have approximately 60 devices on the network and 15 scenes. I have a few scenses that have 20+ devices in them.

 

As I continue to build out my network, I'm just curious if I am reacing the limits on the 99i.

 

Thanks.

[Brian H]

Do you have the Pro Version or the Standard Version?

 

There is a chart at the bottom of the ISY99i Sales Page with some information.

http://sales.universal-devices.com/residential/isy-99i/

[paauto]

I have the Pro. Based on the link, I think I should be well below the capabilities of the unit.

[Michel Kohanim]

Hi paauto,

 

If your 60 devices are all KPLs, then you have already surpassed it (though, I assume that you have not since you have not gotten any errors yet).

 

So, for your calculations:

1. Each button on a device is a node

2. For thermostats, you have 4 nodes

3. Each scene is a node

 

With kind regards,

Michel

[icerabbit]

Sorry to jump in, just got my regular ISY delivered today.

 

Did I just buy a very limited product?

 

Reading the above, you are saying that with just 60 devices and 15 scenes, a user can surpass the pro's 1024 limit? Right?

 

But online it says:

Model Comparison
       IR Support 	Max. Devices/Scenes 	Max. Programs 	MSRP
ISY99i 	        No 	256 	300 	$229.00
ISY99i/IR 	        Yes 	256 	300 	$279.00
ISY99i PRO 	        No 	1024 	1000 	$269.00
ISY99i/IR PRO 	Yes 	1024 	1000 	$309.00

 

Not a single mention of nodes, devices counting as multiple devices, scenes counting as multiple scenes, ...

 

So a device - a physical addressable insteon hardware unit ( xx.xx.xx ) - does not count as one?

And, a scene ( software command to various lights) where you press button a on device b and items xyz come on, does not count as one scene?

 

Or am I misunderstanding it?

Can you clarify further?

[LeeG]

I think the point that was missed is the extreme example was all KeypadLincs plus Scenes. Realistically no one has 60 KeypadLincs installed. Each KeypadLinc can account for 8 devices/nodes where a SwitchLinc accounts for 1. In device nodes alone that is a difference between 480 nodes if all 8 button KeypadLincs versus 60 nodes if all SwitchLincs. In practical terms there will be far more SwitchLinc type devices than KeypadLinc type devices.

 

Search/look through the forums. You will not find discussions where everyone is running out of nodes.

 

EDIT: I have appox 50 devices installed between the house/garage/dock which account for approx 150 device nodes. Of those 13 devices are multi node devices.

[Xathros]

Sorry to jump in, just got my regular ISY delivered today.

 

Did I just buy a very limited product?

 

Reading the above, you are saying that with just 60 devices and 15 scenes, a user can surpass the pro's 1024 limit? Right?

 

But online it says:

Model Comparison
       IR Support 	Max. Devices/Scenes 	Max. Programs 	MSRP
ISY99i 	        No 	256 	300 	$229.00
ISY99i/IR 	        Yes 	256 	300 	$279.00
ISY99i PRO 	        No 	1024 	1000 	$269.00
ISY99i/IR PRO 	Yes 	1024 	1000 	$309.00

 

Not a single mention of nodes, devices counting as multiple devices, scenes counting as multiple scenes, ...

 

So a device - a physical addressable insteon hardware unit ( xx.xx.xx ) - does not count as one?

And, a scene ( software command to various lights) where you press button a on device b and items xyz come on, does not count as one scene?

 

Or am I misunderstanding it?

Can you clarify further?

 

Many Insteon devices are a single node (Switchlinc dimmer/relay, Togglinc Dimmer/relay, inlinelinc dimmer/relay, Outletlinc, bulblinc etc). Some are Multiple nodes (Motion Detector=3, Thermostat=4, IOLinc=2, KPL=5 or . Access points and couplers don't add to the count as they are not addressable and don't appear in the network tree. Each node is a device in the network tree. As far as I know, a scene is just 1 node regardless of how many nodes/devices it contains. I believe all Michel was stating above was that 60 devices was not a problem unless all 60 were KPL's making the count potentially 480 nodes which exceeds the non-pro limit. The upgrade to pro, should you need it, is a simple module purchase transaction (no hardware required).

 

-Xathros

[icerabbit]

Thanks for the quick responses and re-assurances, LeeG and Xanthros.

 

Especially that a scene counts as one.

 

I do recognize that over a dozen keypadlincs would be an extreme example. But the user paauto said he had a pro and surpassing that limit was some math that didn't add up and made me doubt this little black box with a 256 limit.

 

A KeypadLinc is really a 6-in-1 or 8-in-1 switch. I plan to have two. So instead of counting as 2 devices it will count as 12 or 16. No biggie.

 

From an outsider's view, it might be nice if they'd put a footnote in to include nodes and publish a list somewhere for reference. I think that's a detail that should be out there up front.

[Xathros]

A KPL 6 is 5 Nodes as the big On and Off buttons are one node together functioning like the paddle on a switchlinc or toggleinc. The other 4 buttons are nodes of their own. A KPL8 is 8 nodes. I agree there a some places that the documentation could be improved especially for the newcomer but if you were to download all of the available documentation or read through the WiKi it is all covered in excellent detail thanks to the folks at UDI and the members of this community.

 

I've been at this for over 3 years now and I'm still finding things I didn't know about the ISY and its inner workings regularly.

 

This is a friendly place. Don't be afraid to ask if you can't find the info you need.

 

-Xathros

[Michel Kohanim]

Hi, I am so very sorry. I didn't realize it was a PRO in which case the limit is 1024.

 

With kind regards,

Michel

[icerabbit]

No problem. I was scratching my head on the math and had this slight oh crap moment as I'm just endeavoring into ISY + Insteon that I may have bought the wrong thing