simplextech

As much as I like this discussion I think it should be moved to a thread of it's own?

What's interesting with this example is the HomeSeer Insteon plugin was a In-House HomeSeer plugin. THEY were not able to provide quality support and features for their own developed plugin. Because of this lack of ability Mark stepped up and developed a independent Insteon Plugin which is BTW Awesome and still VERY WELL supported. HomeSeer is a interesting model where they actually have a store where the plugins are sold from. Independent developers and some companies develop and sell plugins through this mechanism. This method has it's pros/cons as any method does. HS gets an additional revenue stream as they take 30% of each sale and developers get to make some money from their time. The reality is that nobody except HomeSeer makes a profit from this. It generally takes weeks to months to develop a HomeSeer plugin and then sell it for very little for each install. Hubitat is purely community and apps drivers done as a hobby. This in particular being a hobby DIY system is very clear in the fact there is no QC or QA of the apps drivers at all from anyone and there's no organized repository or installation. Apps come and go with the wind and some are good and some will crash your hub. CQC has an entirely unique model. Their drivers are all included with the system. All of them. You don't pay extra for any particular driver for any use. Most drivers are developed in-house by CQC but some are developed by individuals or installers. Those drivers are then QC/QA by CQC and if they meet standards are then included in the next release. The pricing structure of CQC is an upfront you pay for X number of drivers and if you want more you upgrade your Tier or you buy additional driver counts. It's an interesting model but it doesn't provide any sustained revenue. What kind of model UDI adopts is yet to be seen. Generally there's this unspoken association of "quality" when we have to pay for something and the more we have to pay the "higher quality" we think or believe the product to be. Which also entails the more we pay the more features/functions and higher quality of support. The price of something does setup some expectations. As with any individual or company life or business aspirations may change or events may happen to cause changes in their lives or business. Business go out of business especially from lack of profit. One person buying one copy for $20 one time and getting support for X months or years and maybe getting 3-4 upgrades during that time and fixes, patches etc. Doing this for free when it's something you personally use is one thing as there's personal interest and motivation. I don't know any developers that code.

There's many ways to look at and decipher human nature and emotion. However with Home Automation the predominant driver has always been WAF or now as some say SAF. With this comes a want or need for things to actually work and to know or at least have a feeling (people are all about feelings these days) that what they are using will be supported in some way by someone maybe someday if they have time or feel like providing support on that day or hour. By nature if we pay for a product there's this unwritten idea that some support of the product will be provided and that it functions to a minimal degree. Conversely we naturally understand that if something is free there's no inherent expectation of any support nor even if whatever it is will function or even work correctly. With these human inclinations we also like to be charitable and if someone provides something for free or paid and it works well or makes us happy humans like to show appreciation and this comes from showing appreciation verbally, written or sometimes through money or other gifts. You will see that some (I have also) have a method of either donating, buying a coffee, or sending funds easily to them. Some may view the use of this differently but it's a convenience really for those who are grateful and want to contribute so they don't have to go ask how they can and then if/when a gift arrives it's always a nice surprise. A rarity really but none the less a nice surprise. There are of course those who only use free products, because they are free and why should they have to pay for anything. People are giving it away so why not consume it. The fact of life is nothing is free, you pay with money, time or today with privacy or without realizing you are actually the product that is being sold to others by the fact that you agreed to it perhaps unknowingly by using that free product.

I just went around to the deck doors and garage entry doors putting the door sensors into link mode to change them to two node and creating scenes for those lights... ohhh hopefully the bane of lights NOT coming on is over with.

I had to test this and yay.... two node is working... miracles...

It's not all volunteer... A large amount of it is from community providing the components out of their own interests/needs. However there are also backers to the core team through the Nabu Casa company and funding of that. There's also the subscription fee for the tunnel service to provide Alexa/Google voice control. A lot of open source is funded by larger entities that utilize the code. You would actually be amazed by how many of those "free" projects are funded by Wall Street. I used to do Wall Street consulting for high performance computing design/optimization that's actually what Simplex Technology used to be focused on... now I'm broke

I was thinking maybe like the claw thing... or a roulette wheel? Pay X amount and you get something... don't know what you get but something... then if it's not what you want then you have to pay again? Sound good? How about support? Should that be X per character in support messages? X per line of code?

Not really sure where to start or answer so I'll piece it up..... "store" in name only. we got a free Polisy for testing... oh yeah free beta testers There's no compensation. There's questions, problems, complaints and sometimes appreciation. I can't speak for others but most of my development comes from personal need or interest. If I have a need for something I develop it and share it. If I have an interest in something that others ask for or bring up and it doesn't cost too much to develop I may look into it. I have been asked for some special requests but as noted there's no "store" or any way for me to earn any residual income from the effort so I would have to charge for full development cost for something custom. That's A LOT as I'm not cheap... easy yeah I think most developers here are donating their time based on their availability and interests and again it goes back to personal need and or interest in the integration as to whether it gets done or not. The on going support of nodeservers is generally more demanding than initial development as it is with all products. This is where most profit (there is none) is lost with software in the nature of sell a license once and support it forever. That's not a bad idea at all. It's actually similar in lines with my company with doing integrations. I had setup a paypal pay.me for people to "donate" not really donating because I'm a for profit but you get the idea. However human nature is against paying for something when it's free. It just is. Why pay when you get it for free is the argument for why people use Home Assistant versus HomeSeer or CQC. Why pay for a nodeserver when it's free and why pay a service fee for something... oh yeah that pays for support of the product. Ok now I feel like I'm ranting..... you get the point.

Ohhhh I could add a micro-payment to the nodeservers where each "node" or function costs something

Very good point... so how do I charge for Polyglot Nodeservers?

The ISY Portal subscription gives you access to Polyglot Cloud. This is ISY or Polisy.

I had a similar issue tonight a KPL. I replaced once that was throwing errors every now and again. After I added the new one to the ISY the "replace" option was on the "New" KPL not on the Old one. Which is backwards. Possible bug?

If it's on the first trigger of it then that's just internet congestion/latency and the solution is to NOT USE cloud based integrations. If it's on a repeated one there is a Amazon enforced cooldown for re-triggers. Depending on what it is there's likely a better local solution available. Of course it's probably not the cheap solution.

First.. how you enjoying the free fertilizer... EVERYWHERE!!!! I used to have a flock of about 2-3 dozen a few years back and wow.... As for the motion sensors and alarm with chickens running around??? Umm... no?

That device is trying to do a security handshake and failing... remove power from it like @lilyoyo1recommended and see what happens.

I don't think so. Not without something over both of the ISY's to encapsulate them like CQC or HomeSeer something like that and I dunno about the Mobilinc part. I think it supports multiple ISY's so it might be possible.

Cool glad to hear they work. How about reliability? Any issues of them not firing a program?

https://www.amazon.com/Aeotec-Window-Contact-sensors-Battery/dp/B07PDDX3K6/ref=sr_1_3?keywords=aeotec+door+sensor&qid=1578191896&sr=8-3 Anyone have one of these yet? How well does it work? What's the reaction/reporting timing like for program executions? I've ordered one to test out but I wanted to see if anyone had any insight before it arrives.

Probably. However I've been told SOAP is being replaced by the REST interface and websocket. So why develop something new for something that's supposed to be going away. Of course that "going away" is probably like 5 years from now. But wanting to find out and mostly to see if it's possible from a nodeserver. I'm thinking it's not.

2020/01/03 13:38:03 System -170001 [UDSockets] RSub:32 error:6 Can someone provide more details on what that error is? I'm pretty confident it's network related and is likely I'm overloading the ISY network....

Perhaps clear the log if you don't need it and then see if it loads. I view my logs through the portal mostly and I haven't had a problem.

Oh that easy huh? Smells like a recipe for disaster of a single oops and that's all she wrote... The download of the xml is it available to any local machine? How about the upload process? Or does that require uploading through the admin console?

I think you're suggesting you did it? hmmm...

That's a part of the problem. I don't know when it happened. I've been on 5.0.16B since a day or so after release and I just noticed this missing devices yesterday.... so who knows when it vanished.

Yes. Polyglot Cloud requires ISY Portal.