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Near the bottom of this trouble shooting thread indicates your next steps. http://forum.universal-devices.com/topic/4750-isy-troubleshooting-flowchart/

First thing I would do is reboot the router and do the above steps again. Keep the ISY / PLM unplugged until your network is back up and report back.

Unplug both PLM and ISY from power. Wait ten seconds before you plug the PLM back in. Once that is done, plug the ISY back in and report back.

Hello Xathros, I have been able to replicate this program for various appliances in the home. So far the program seems solid in terms of how it works and operates. I do however have a few questions in terms of resolving a few small details I hope you can shed some light on. In the program listed below. How can I obtain the actual run time that exceeds this program? As the notification simply sends out an alert once it meets 45 minutes. This does not actually mean the device has stopped, only that it exceeded the 45 minute limit. I have entered the actual state variable ID in the e-mail alert and surprisingly, it does not return the real time value that exceeds 45 minutes? If $s.FridgeRuntimeCycleMins >= 45 And $s.FridgeNotifySuspend is 0 Then Send Notification to 'YourCell' content 'FridgeCycleTimeExceeded' $s.FridgeNotifySuspend = 1 Else - No Actions - (To add one, press 'Action') Also, below you will noticed the system reset the counters at midnight. I was surprised to see that the minutes for (Cycle Minutes) did not match the (Daily Minutes) for that period? Since this was at the very beginning of the new counter day. Both values should have matched until the next fridge cycle kicked in and the Daily Minutes would have incremented and be higher than the Cycle Minutes. Any insight on that part would be great!

No, doubt! I really can't wait for Java to be retired in the future.

Xathros, I rebooted and also selected refresh still no joy. I have replied back to your PM.

Hello Xathros, I am uncertain why this box is giving me so much headaches as of late! I had to leave and enter the programs tab several times before the options I indicated would appear?!?! Now, the next problem is that I see the run time monitor is running as the file is solid green, fridge is running. Yet the minutes are not incrementing up as expected? I do see the Autelis / Dash Box pushing updates to the ISY in the very same state variable page. I am going to reboot this box and see what happens in another 40 minutes when the fridge is supposed to kick back in.

Hello Xathros, I finally have time to add this program to my ISY. I noticed this program is using +=1 in the Integer Variable? There is no such option for this program. Is it possible this is why the system was acting up when I used IS as the operator? If Status 'Gem Fridge Channel' > 800W Then $i.FridgeDefrostCount += 1 $i.FridgeDefrostCount Init To $i.FridgeDefrostCount Else - No Actions - (To add one, press 'Action')

All good questions and considerations for sure. I apologize if I didn't explain what I planned to use to power the other end of the device listed. As you guessed I may very well use one of three possible solutions which are simply based on my desire to deploy one over the others. I could go with a high output rechargeable 9 volt battery. As you indicated it would be tied to a trickle charger long term. Another is powering the device with a massive Optima Yellow Top 12 volt car battery! This too would be placed on a battery tender trickle charger for long term use. The last option is to use one of 30 APC 12 volt battery cells I have stocked piled. The last two obviously would provide enough power for months if not an entire year with out issue. The last option is taking any of a dozen power supplies I have laying around and powering the devices. The only reason I wanted to go with the 9 volt battery was to consolidate the entire package and simply run a power line to keep the system charged. I am open to suggestions no matter how ugly or elegant! Thats why its call a project and trial and error.

Mike, A few people have done what you did to resolve COM issues. But, in my view the better solution is to identify any noise makers / signal suckers. Also using a point of use surge outlet in place of a UPS provides you with both power line and RF capabilities. Just something to consider moving forward.

I was simply stating the power output is different than z wave. It also runs on a different ISM band 908.42 and the stated distance (open air) is 100 feet vs insteons 150 feet. Regardless of all the hype a mesh network is the only method to ensure consistent, reliable, and far reaching devices in the home. Playing with a few z-wave homes in my personal opinion the win goes to Insteon in terms of over all distance and reliable COM's. With respect to the RF portion of the Insteon devices. If its installed into a metal junction box expect RF to be either nill or about 10-15% of the advertised spec of 150 feet. Does it help, sure . . . Can the end user rely solely on a RF portion of the Insteon device, no. The only caveat is the use of the AP unit.

This device indicates it can provide 2 amps continuous at 15 watts. I believe that is more than enough to power one SWE3 unit never mind four. I am always about over kill so worst case four of these will power the 4 SWE2 sensors externally and it costs me no more than $13.80 USD. That won't break the bank in this project!

Thanks guys for the quick follow up and insight. I believe I am going with a something like this for the external powering of the SWE3 device(s): http://www.ebay.com/itm/310670105406?ssPageName=STRK:MESINDXX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1436.l2649 This is just one example of PSU's I have been looking into. I will try one out and place it on the bench for a few weeks before I commit to anymore. For $3.45 can a guy really go wrong? Any other input is greatly appreciated!

From personal experience I can tell you from 90 plus installs. Once you have identified all noise makers / signal suckers that is the first step, coupled with using FilerLincs to aid in that solution. Next, it comes down to properly bridging both sides of the electrical feed with at least two dual band devices and confirming the coupling via the four tap method outlined in the users manual. Once that is done I always deploy a Access Point / Range Extender in all four corners of the home, or floor, zone, level. This ensures any RF only device is XX feet from a device capable of helping move the signal to its intended device. As the others have stated I would not rely on the RF portion as the primary mode of transmission. Insteon does not transmit its signal on the same power level as Z-Wave or similar counterparts.

Larryllix, How are you going to power the SWE3 to obtain the required 5 volts? Are you powering it externally or via the CAI board? I believe in my environment I will need to power the SWE3 board externally as the Autelis Bridge only outputs 3+ volts on the power line. If anyone has a suggestion or a link to the following it would be most helpful. Looking for a 9 volt to 5 volt converter so I can use a standard 9 volt battery (must be small form factor). Or a actual 5 volt battery pack power supply. The one I found on EBAY was a little expensive considering I need to power four of these once I am all done. Unless one of these can power all four then its all good. Looking for something small I can place all into one small project box and has long battery life. This whole temperature / humidity project is starting to go a little over budget!

At the end of the day the fridge should be on a dedicated circuit. I know in the USA a GFCI is a requirement but in Canada a fridge circuit is never placed on a GFCI outlet or GFCI breaker. Since its in the garage and is considered a wet location (technically not since its not actually outside) a GFCI is required per the NEC in the USA. In Canada the CEC does not require a GFCI within the garage only on the outside of the home / garage.

Hello Xathros, After reading your reply this makes a lot more sense to me. The one part I am unclear on is when I cleared the Java cache and only use the direct IP to the ISY. The UI still showed the 4.2.8 firmware version? Is this to be expected behaviour here? I was indeed seeing endless back up fails, restore fails and never ending socket this / java that errors. What made this whole process even harder was the system would not even let me login. I am uncertain whether the PLM had any relations to the problems I had. But, decided to make a proactive decision on replacing the PLM unit given it was either nearing the 2 year shelf life and wanted to eliminate that as a possible culprit in my troubles. I will be adding back in your programs once I have been able to monitor the three systems and the network health. Before I move forward to adding in the programs for HA activities. I thank you once again for your insight and guidance.

Hello Larryllix, Yes, that was something that caught my eye from the onset! It will be a perfect solution for the two bathrooms, basement, central home, and outside. Can you share with me what type of enclosure you placed the unit in? Also, which of the three package options did you buy and what was the total costs from shipping, exchange, duties / tax's to Ontario?

Hello io_guy, The Raspberry Pi was one of the first products that caught my attention from the onset. I may still purchase one as it offers lots of flexibility for me in the not too distant future. The vendor at the sheep walk electronics is actually where I intended to purchase the 1 wire humidity sensors! Once I am able to complete the remaining temperature sensor install that will be my next purchase and project goal. Just trying to figure out what is going on with my ISY / Autelis Bridge first before I commit to another task. I really do wish someone in North America sold the same 1 wire humidity sensor kit! The exchange rate is simply killing me and is out of this world, given the low dollar exchange.

The CAI board was one of the first devices I was going to use for my 1 wire expansion. From what I have seen and read on this forum and many others is this device is very powerful in its own right and has lots of capability in many areas. Unfortunately, as stated the CAI only supports eight 1 wire temperature sensors. Therefor I opted to go with the Autelis Bridge as it supports 32 channels and humidity. It is also a serial bridge adapter for any related 3rd party devices which allows ISY integration all in one box. After a marathon install this past week end, I ran another mile of CAT6 Ethernet cable through out my home to prep and ready all 32 sensors. The only saving grace was having the spare (pairs of CAT6) wires in place and this allowed me to measure the same areas / zones with out running duplicate wiring! Below is a quick (temporary) set up of the current system in place. The initial ten 1 wire sensors I received from China were simply perfect and accurate (all on a shoe string budget)! Testing all of the sensors at the same time showed the largest variance between any two sensors was 0.1 to 0.3 degrees. From -30'C all the way to 125'C all showed 0.1 to 0.3 variance which is simply stellar in any book! After receiving feed back from Autelis / Brultech I decided to go with duplicating the wire runs to avoid any possible damage to either systems. It took a lot of sweat equity during the last three days but it will pay off in spades once I am able to pump the data into the ISY and then control the Insteon network!. My five year dream of fully automating my home based on local environmental data is finally coming true, and have Autelis, Brultech, Insteon, and UDI, to thank! Many more updates in my install thread with lots of photos, video's, and trials and tribulations of success / failures in my install. Thank you all for your insight, feed back, and endless support in my endeavors!

Hello Xathros, After a grueling 48 hours! I was finally able to bring the ISY-994iZ controller from a complete bricked state. I had endless login issues, java pop up error messages, never ending upgrade failure messages saying XYZ, whether it be completed at 2% to 80+. The system literally indicated five separate back up versions were invalid?? I was basically about to throw this box out the window at the 30 hour mark. After cooler heads prevailed and taking a few moments to read threw some of the similar error pop up messages that other members have indicated in the past. I determined part of my problems could be a failing PLM. I replaced the almost two year old PLM with one of two brand new back up PLM's I had on hand. Loaded the ISY with a 4.1.X back up copy and worked my way up to 4.2.8 I think what was really troubling and frustrating at that time was that all versions of the restore would always indicate 4.2.8?? I have never personally experience this behaviour before and both the UI / System indicated the same even after selecting all three options of the Java App for deletion. There is a bug in 4.2.8 with that respect because it should never hold the value once a restore is installed in its place. The only way I knew the restore was valid is from screen shots of each back up and a marker I placed in a file indicating the version. Regardless, after my 48 hour marathon to bring the ISY from this state. I have observed a few things I believe are not related to the program you have crafted for me. For your reference I have not created any of the last three programs you have provided. I did this to see how the system behaves with a brand new PLM, 4,2,8 base, and existing programs in place. I have seen extremely slow web page loads, my existing GEM, Dash Box, show delay / lack of updating energy readings. I believe my problem lies with the Autelis Bridge and the fact it may be over loading my LAN with endless streams of data. I have wireshark running to measure the load / volume of packets being streamed over the LAN for review and analysis. Since moving the Autelis to another network things seem to be better but still see some lag in connectivity. After running almost a mile of CAT6 Ethernet this long week end and trying to bring the ISY from the brink of death. I am one tired puppy ! I shall report back once I can sit down and really monitor the network traffic and see the cause and effect of the Autelis Bridge on my LAN. I have since asked the vendor to upgrade the firmware so the end user can adjust the send interval (assuming this is the root cause) even if its not. That would be a very important feature to allow the Admin the ability to manage the send interval to balance the network traffic load. I thank you so very much for the follow up and your continued support in helping me craft such powerful and helpful programs for my energy monitoring efforts.

Well that didn't last very long. The system is completely gone down hill and is stalling out. I have removed the Ethernet cable from the Autelis device and this problem still persists? I have deleted the program and redone it from scratch and even bumped up the values to allow a larger buffer. Yet this program does not behave correctly? Am I missing something here? Below are the last two videos of this problem: http://vid941.photobucket.com/albums/ad254/EVIL_Teken/ISY%20Infinite%20Loop/secureroom_zpsf83f872d.mp4 http://vid941.photobucket.com/albums/ad254/EVIL_Teken/ISY%20Infinite%20Loop/secureroom2_zpsd54ccc2c.mp4

I don't really know based on the screen capture you have provided. This is just a WAG, but could there be a difference because I am reporting in Celsius?

That is what I thought! But, I am seeing a email and change of state when the sensor / room changes in .10 increments. That is very fine measurements at, at least 12 bits resolution. Could you post up what your 1 wire temperature looks like in the variable page for me. If I understand you correctly: Your system is programmed for example for 20 = 2 degrees? Not 200 to = 2 degrees?

I am monitoring it right this minute and will record what I see and find and share with the group. I replied back to the thread in question which has this program. So far it seems to be working fine. But, have modified it to be less sensitive and have a larger window for change / variance in hopes this buffer will be the solution to the data bombardment. I don't like to say its the data, opposed to the user programming (error) but time will tell.