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Yet, you used my comment to portray the use of your name in a negative fashion. Anyone reading the replies knows it was to affirm you offered several things. - You are capable in developing node servers - You used prior experience and knowledge and code to add other weather related nodes - You did so many times simply for the fact it was interesting or where literally a single person asked for the same! - It was to call out your contribution and many others to the ISY Series Controller. It was never intended or meant for anyone to use what I said as a slate toward you or any of the developers who literally put in time and effort to offer the same to the community! Yet, the way you scoped your reply absolutely gave a sense that is what I said or did. As to my reply to @ase his reply and statements in no way addressed anything I stated. Even when given examples and a photo his reply was not only none sensical but completely ignored the facts. I used the email analogy because its something everyone who owns a ISY Series Controller can relate to. His follow up reply is that everything I showed in that photo from Brultech is present and in the Polisy / ISY Series Controller. Wrong . . .

That would encompass almost every node server released now. How many people are asking and using the inventory node server? How many hundreds and thousands are using the Purple Air?? How about the 1-Wire?? I could keep going because these are just examples to affirm my position that its not always about 100, 1000, 9999999999999999999999 people. Before the PG3 everything was free and developed because of the love and wanting to add integration in products / services that had value to some / lots. This shows exactly in where??? HomeSeer / Home Assistant / Other

I quoted that portion because it appeared you thought my reference of you was in the negative. Was it???

My replies are straight to the point and factual. Just because you don't like the feedback doesn't change the facts. You asked me to offer you information as it relates to the topic at hand. I literally told you to use the search feature in this forum and Google! Why??? Because using the two would provide you that insight you're asking for. Now, if you can't even do that it simply means you were not even remotely sincere in the asking. As was the other member who said *Can't see the relationship, don't know why, how come* They can't see the relationship because they didn't even bother to READ the information provided here. They don't know the WHY because again they didn't bother to understand the history, progression, and the current state of affairs of the topic at hand. Than the famous How Come??? Am I supposed to spoon feed everyone when they can't even read the basic information along with a freaking photo to show what can be done, was done, along with what is lacking in the ISY Series Controller as it relates to a handling a single *One Shot* email! Your reply and others like it is exactly why things never ever progress . . . You have one person going off about the CLI??? ? Really should we all just stayed with DOS??? Why even bother coming up with a GUI in anything the world uses and is in place today???

Why would you believe my response would be the same to you???

Since you need me to hold your hand. ? Let's keep this very simple go do a Google search. Next to help you narrow down what is happening and provide context do a search in this forum which has no less than a dozen comments, links, and references. You know in life its about work and putting in the effort . . . I'm not here to spoon feed you and if you think I'm going to waste my time to offer you information that is easily obtained - get back on your meds! ?

I gather you're still grasping how to use the power of Google eh?? ?

Once again your lack of reading comprehension is obvious to all. Everything I have stated is in the public domain along with my replies. You took it upon yourself to come into a thread where you have absolutely no personal experience, back ground, or knowledge in. You than go out of your way to cry when challenged on the lack of merit of your replies??? You believe injecting none sensical make belief words like *Not my boss* to think its going to change the FACTS presented here??? ? Why would I need to email or PM you where a discussion is happening in the public??? Am I trying to hide something or are you so weak in your position which I called out that you feel maybe it should be taken off line??? Anyone who has been on this forum or any forum where I have participated knows I don't enter a conversation or argue with people for the express purpose to f^ck around! I enter a conversation because I'm interested in the same and willing to learn. If I have something to share I do so within the constraints of my personal knowledge. ? Here's another FAST FACT which I'm sure eludes you and probably others. When I and @lilyoyo converse and at times exchange banter, press one another, or even argue. Its always based on the facts and views which they and (HE) tried to bring supporting FACTS or information that bolsters his position. As you have seen I have not once, twice, but three times acknowledged his views but the merits of his positions on various topics. But, what did I do??? I counter each one with more facts to bolster my position and why it holds more. I can agree to disagree with him and Michel. Why??? Because both of them have earned my respect and admiration as it relates to almost all things HA or things in life. You?? I don't know you . . . All I have to reference and base my replies on are your less than factual replies or information that simply doesn't reflect how things are. Got it???

You have absolutely no clue what you're talking about so stay out of the conversation. Examples were provided to give context for anyone else interested as to the history, evolution, and the current state of affairs. If you can't follow basic examples and time lines while examples to bolster a persons position you need to leave. My replies and statements are based on material facts . . . Keep up . . . ?

@Michel Kohanim Well, if I was the energy God it would be great for people to bow their heads and do what I want! ? Regardless, I took this thread completely off the rails and off base from the original. For that I do apologize but stand firm in my affirmation that your company must lead the way and carry the ball in some aspects of the I/O. Along with iterating, building upon, and making the energy module / hardware to exist in the latest UDI hardware. On a side note I really appreciate you quoting my iSheep! ??

Michel, I'm not going to split hairs with you when I have clearly stated the goal. I have also gone out of my way to show you and others reading this thread how it was done by someone else. Why?? Because none of your boxes offers what I posted up in that image - none! I provided this example like the dozens here to provide you and others who have short memory or have no reference as to what the hell is going. I'm not talking out of my aszz nor am I trying to be obstinate but am trying to make my position with FACTS. Anyone who knows me on here or in real life knows I always try to come to the table with FACTS. I don't argue with people for the sake of arguing my goal is to push the edge of development in everything I do or am involved in. As it stands today your replies mimic everything you said more than ten years ago! At different times in our history you have slowly if begrudgingly changed your views even if dragged in screaming . . . All of us are better for it and it (shouldn't be lost on anyone) even if it appears that I am harping on you or come off negative. You know I adore and support you and the company and the team you lead. I continue to see value and the power this new box and any other box you come out with. This in no way addresses anything I stated up above now does it??? I want this new box to be successful . . . But, I want everything in that box to work and not have to wait 25 years for it to materialize!

Exactly, not even close to being the same in 2022 . . .

Here is a visual aid for those like me who need to see what is asked and required. This doesn't exist in the ISY Series Controller nor does it appear in anything else UDI makes. Please correct me if I am wrong . . . Regardless, I made a business case and the need for this because guess what?? The ISY Series Controller in 2022 doesn't offer the same??? So, Boom I made it happen with the hard work of Brultech. Why do I need to push this rock up hill??? Why do I have to convince you something needs to be done???

Yet, why are you replying to my question if you have no clue??? It's clear you didn't take the time to read what I stated. The ISY Series Controller does not have a dedicated and simple check box to send a SINGLE email. If a condition exists or changes it will just keep sending endless emails. I'm sure I could write some 9999999999999999 program to limit the same. But, that isn't what I asked for or stated . . . One box that says fire off 1 email no more . . . Show me where this box is to fire off a single email and never get another???

I can send a *single* email and never ever (repeated) receive the same?? Show me, would love to know where this hidden feature is in case I've been looking in the wrong place.

Fast Fact: I have been the lone voice in pushing Energy Management / Energy Control for more than 35 years. I'm always breaking trail and leading the pack and with that its everyone else riding my coat tails. Every person who uses and owns the Energy Module in whatever form has it and uses it because they read some crazy Projects Thread I decided to do decades ago! All of these people including Z-Wave bought it because they read something online related to what I was doing. People reference other HomeSeer and on and on . . . Do you know why any of these companies have integration to the Brultech GEM??? Me . . . This isn't bragging its a plain fact and people have just sat in the corner watching others like ME blaze a trail for them. Why do these people never chime in or lend their voice?? Because they are the same people who will just watch a burning fire and sit and watch. It doesn't stop them from adopting or doing what the other person is doing because they see value and importance of the same! These quiet voices simply don't care to do so, its just lazy and selfish. This time ten years ago it was the exact same push the f^cken rock up hill just to get what was sold to me to work! It never has worked as advertised and there was nothing but silence or when pressed *Oh its not baked yet* Really WTF???? Its not like anyone can say *Hey Teken your not patient enough* Really??? Ten years and counting not patient enough?? Maybe I should just wait another century to see if the 26 things that were absolutely not on the table - Are now on the table and done! As it relates to Brultech (Ben & Paul) they stepped up to resolve and band aid something that wasn't ever in their wheel house. They continue to offer features that are not the core *Things* the product was intended to do. They did because *THE BIG PICTURE* . . . It's literally 2022 and none of the UDI hardware has a simple box to send a (single email). I want you to read that again a box where you can enable an email to fire off ONLY a single email based on a change. How ridiculous is that??? So what does that have to do with Brultech and energy management??? They literally first incorporated a mail server. This did the most basic like what the ISY does. But guess what there was a need for other things like conditions logic, and once again a NEED for me and every other person to simply fire off and receive a single email! Boom, its done by Brultech . . . I want SMS, Push, MQTT, the hundreds of features or integration in their Dash Box and BOOM it was done . . . I didn't have to pull teeth or convince anyone the value or business case as I am here. Only to repeat the same want decades later as if there wasn't a need or demand. For ever and a day asked for all the GEM channels to be supported which should have been done since day one. Yet nothing ever came out of it so it was literally half baked . . . True to form Brultech when asked along with other people sat down and said what kind of band aid can we come up with because its clear UDI isn't going to do anything. Boom, we have State Variables that allow two way connectivity. The list of what I have pushed for and have been able to achieve which directly helped push sales and awareness of the ISY Series Controller is immeasurable. Here's another FACT even if a person didn't buy the ISY Series Controller for the express purpose of Energy Monitoring / Energy Management. Guess what??? They literally jumped ship from another controller or purchased the first time because they saw some crazy guys Projects Thread about the same! Whatever sales you see as it relates to the Polisy and ISY Series Controller is absolutely related to my endless replies and comments in hundreds of forums . . . So when people say how many energy modules are sold. The real question is how many people are aware of my company from this guy?? How many people decided as a first step decided to purchase the base system to see what it could do than later consider other add on's??? This is the revenue and continued awareness and revenue that I have brought to UDI. Everyone else who have spoken in public also share in the success of UDI when the topic comes up so I absolutely solute you all too!

I've never complained about having more I/O only wanting more. ? Regardless , of that the facts remain there isn't anything I've seen on Polisy that allows a WiFi device to be connected. I haven't seen BLE / Blue Tooth used or integrated with any of the boxes that allows a connection to the latest market leader devices. While your comparison about supporting blinds have some merit. It only goes so far as being just another service you may, could, should provide. The Energy Management wasn't just some after thought even though at this juncture it literally is a afterthought and left to die. It was a purposeful decision to enter a market segment that had revenue and growth potential. It doesn't matter what label people want to use the on the Energy X. It's built on the past development and experience of the same! As you clearly stated regarding the whole smart application . . . A whole lot of people did you read that right??? A whole lot of people asked for the same and it never came to be for a decade. Than, boom one day its about face and now everyone is enjoying something that should have existed ten years ago! You see the irony here Michel and you are stating there isn't a need as there was for the Smart phone app when there clearly was! It was the refusal to do so yet there was hundreds if not thousands pounding on the table for it??? This isn't about if there's a demand in the purest form . . . This is about iterating and making something better than it was and isn't keeping up with the times! As you clearly stated any fool can read the thousands of threads where the cloud was NEVER ever going to be adopted it didn't matter what it was. Booom, as you said all manner of voice support . . . The list of about face and change in direction and investment of time and resources even for things that make absolutely no sense are present now! I shouldn't have to convince anyone about energy management / energy control when I literally brought 90% of the people to the table! Those are sales that were never ever going to be had or seen.

If you're as you say IS / CAN the general public use the same (BLE, WiFi, Blue Tooth??? What market devices are being sold and adopted by the masses are you using on any of these boxes that WE the people can connect and use??? I know my presence on the forums hasn't been full time so may have missed this latest adoption and integration! ? Lets be specific here when I say it connects at what level??? I don't mean the ability to connect my LAN to the X / Y box via WiFi! I mean does the current offering provide the ability to connect to a WiFi enabled device whatever it is??? BLE . . . There are hundreds of BLE / Blue Tooth sensors out today what are the sensors your X / Y box connects natively without a Node Server??? Or if one is required which one is it?? Would love to know the secret sauce as to what these three protocols are using NOW as you state???

Good points but I’ll remind you almost everything we do as a group is a niche product / want. Some of these things based on scale are obviously larger than others. One only needs to look at the current list of Node Servers to prove this point. 99% of these Node servers are so unique and specific they amount to 0.00000001% of the want / customer use base. The argument is there were hundreds if not tens of thousands of people who pounded on the table or verbally on this forum for these: YoLink, Purple Air, the list is endless . . . They exist because the person interested in Node Servers used their skills to simply do it! It literally was based on a single voice and boom it was done! In other cases it was just a matter of adaptation existing code to support a similar API frame work think weather. It’s safe to state Bob is and has lead the way in offering dozens of Node Servers not just because there was huge demand simply because he could and was asked! Simplex, is another awesome member and many others too who simply were approached by a SINGLE person not hundreds not millions and boom! That Node server exits today . . . As it relates to the energy module besides me pushing for it to be some what baked. It’s been shelved for ten years and hasn’t seen any updates to keep up with the times or NEEDS. You point is demand and need. My point is if you don’t fulfil that need how will the demand ever go up or increase??? If energy monitoring wasn’t gaining speed and traction there wouldn’t be ten times the amount of vendors offering and supporting the same. As it relates to this new Eisy box my questions still stand. When are we or anyone ever going to see any of these boxes have the ability to use any of the new I/O??? Oh, let me sit down and state the obvious!!! Never . . . And will affirm the words of Michel until *Someone* decides to make a Node Server! That’s f^cken ridiculous! Again, this is the whole horse and cart problem. At some point a company / the company must do and support the same. It’s not enough to just throw out a box with ports and I/O and say it’s up to the public to make X! This is exactly why HA is kicking everyone’s *** and taking names! You literally have a open source project that has a box that literally can connect and operate any of the industry protocols: Wi-Fi, ZigBee, Z-Wave, Insteon, BLE, Ethernet, LoRa, the list is endless. Absolutely ridiculous . . . [emoji107]

You know I love to argue with you. But you do make solid points on the topic at hand. As the other member noted UDI has done an about face on many things not on their road map which I could recite. I won’t, because they have been listed up above and discussed many times in this forum. This doesn’t change the fact others have already done their part to integrate with UDI hardware. At some point UDI must set aside the time and resources to do the same. How did they ever get into the utility market without first investing the time to develop the energy module?!? That same underlying technology translated to those being able to connect a persons smart meter. That later translated to ToU or whatever in fad name they call for power control. It’s been ten long years with zero updates to this module or anything to do with energy management / energy control! Every single person who has the ability to use a Z-Wave device that offers energy readings came off the back of the original module I’m talking about. The fact is, if a customer has to sell a company a basic concept so X can become greater than its now. That’s a problem! [emoji107] I’ve never had to sell or pull teeth with Brultech with anything. Besides making a business case as to how it would benefit their hardware, customer base, and ultimately translating to more sales. I did so because that’s the way I am. Not because they asked me to! That can’t be said for the current (Polisy) hardware that literally has everything yet can’t use 50% of the I/O! This new box is going to offer more?? Oh yeah, how? is anyone ever going to use any of that new hardware??? Are we all going to have to sit around for 5-10-25 years to see actual use of BLE?? WiFi?? RS-232??? Extra RJ45 ports???

The problem is this has always been the horse or cart problem. If no one makes X how could there ever be anything to support X? When you have just the beginning of X but not a fully developed product this too leads to a lack of support and development. Perhaps I am taking you too literally as you noted several times in the past and most recently here that Utilities are solid revenue stream and if things were to ever go south as it relates to Home Automation this is the fail over business plan?!? ? This is where I'm having a hard time understanding how past and recent statements are contradicted by your statement Energy Management is a financial drain??? ? As it relates to Brultech its safe to say I've been at the forefront in pushing this company to Nth degree as it relates to their energy monitoring hardware. Ben & Paul have taken hundreds of my ideas and feature requests and 90% of them have been added or incorporated into their systems! ? The end result is a box that does more than anything else in the world and leads the market in every facet. Regardless of that fact, it doesn't change the need for UDI to actually invest more time and resources to something they freely marketed when entering this sector. Your team is small, the Brultech team is even smaller . . . The fact these two people have been able to take on years of customer driven requests only limited by the hardware or software restrictions. Affirms they have already stepped up to the plate and more so. I honestly fail to understand why the onus would fall on someone else to make something that could be developed much faster (Node Server) in house or at the very least provide them a quick road map to get a Node Server up and running without years of development??? To put a finer point on this, is the fact Brultech has added and incorporated no less than three methods to integrate with the ISY Series Controller. Why??? Because I asked and pushed for the same . . . This is and was the literal question of the horse or cart equation. They saw the big picture that someone had to step up and push the market and development of the same as it relates to energy monitoring / energy management. That translated into more brand awareness, more hardware sales, and community support. That is literally the win win scenario any business person strives for.

Just some things to keep in mind and consider if the units purchased are old. The advertised ten years will never be seen. Replace them with Energizer Lithium cells knowing they will offer you no less than eight solid years if not ten! Take a few moments regardless of the type of batteries in place and place a dab of dielectric grease. This will promote conductivity, reduce moisture, and God forbid there is a battery leak. It will prevent the battery terminals from being corroded / rusted. Smear a lite coat of the same on the plastic housing as this will prevent the case from melting and breaking apart. On the small metal round feet dab some WD-40, Dielectric grease, Deoxit as this will prevent the very cheap material breaking down! ? Lastly, if your sensors (antenna) aren't a shade / hue of yellow or some other odd color just accept the fact Smartlabs, Smarthome, Insteon used the absolutely cheapest material known to man and deal with it!

@Michel Kohanim I would love to know what the path and solution is for those of us who depend on the ISY Series Controller for energy & power management via the Brultech GEM?? I haven't seen or heard of any new hardware that will allow my UDI proprietary ZigBee dependent card to be used in any of the latest generation of Polisy / Eisy. This is the major road block of not migrating to the more powerful Polisy controller! ? I haven't seen any progress or advancement in this area in years since pushing this technology for everyone. Given your comments on better revenue and focus on the Utility side one would think there must be a plan to use and capitalize on the latest generation of Polisy / Eisy hardware - No??? ? At the end of the day my view is either your team commit to developing a Energy Node Server or resolve the issues that are hindering the adoption of others making the same. Node Link comes to mind and don't know if those issues have been resolved about required / not required software / dependencies??? Going back into the time machine of when I first started this journey the *Energy Module* was advertised and sold to me and others as supporting multiple GEM's. After years of slow development the GEM was finally supported but when it came time to use multiple GEM's - No Dice??? ? As was stated more than a decade ago besides the commercial / enterprise side. The biggest growth your company will see in the energy monitoring / energy management space will come from the massive consumer segment. This is proved out by the countless energy monitors on the market today and those who also adopted the use of Z-Wave. Lets please, set aside the time, resources, and finances to bring the Energy Module to 2022 and tightly integrated with the latest generation of UDI hardware offerings. This investment will pay for itself as seen by the Utility growth your company knows is profitable. ?

Just to clarify there were three releases of the leak sensor. The first generation would reset its state once the wet condition at the sensor wasn’t detected - no user intervention required. The interim and very short lived second iteration of the leak sensor would behave the same way as the first but would also flash its LED. The last iteration requires the user to manually reset the sensor. There is no way to change this behaviour at the user level. There are use cases for both behaviours. The problem as was in the past Smarthome / Smartlabs / Insteon provided NO information to the changes!