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Ah I get it! If this could be done this would be a huge thing for those wanting to pursue this endeavour. Let's wait for Michel to reply back and see if this can be done. Teken . . . Encrypted By: Phoenix Security Solutions

Thats an interesting question. But, I fear that won't work as the ISY needs the Z-Wave hardware to complete the processing. If it was simply a software solution I am sure UDI would have implemented this solution long ago. But, the way you describe it if your ELK can allow the Z-Wave hardware to be installed and if all it needs is the software / protocol to be sent it could work. Teken . . .

You really only have two options. Purchase a Z-Wave enabled ISY-994. Or remove the Zigbee, and replace it with the Z-Wave components. A third option is to purchase another 3rd party controller like Vera 3 which supports three of the four major HA standards. Teken . . .

I would also add a bad memory card or corrupt firmware can also cause erratic behaviour. Teken . . . Encrypted By: Phoenix Security Solutions

Hello John, My personal experience is that the ISY is built very robust. There are not very many threads about hardware failures. Most of them are about the memory card, power supply, and random firmware corruption. The fact you have gone through so many leads me to believe you have a power issue. Please keep in mind a surge protector does not protect an electronic device from sags. A low voltage condition is actually more damaging to electronics as when voltage drops, current rises. When current rises it tends to let the magic smoke out of the box. I would also back up the unit and do a update to the latest 4.1.2. Complete another back up with the latest 4.1.2. Teken . . .

John, If the time is being lost either the firmware on the ISY is corrupt, bad memory card, bad power supply, or the most likely scenario. Your AC power is being interrupted. Is the ISY on a UPS to ensure consistent and steady AC Power? Even if the there was no Internet connection the ISY keeps a pretty rock solid track of time. Teken . . .

I don't follow? They both look the same in terms of size, color, and shape? Or, are you saying, you only want one unit and not several in place? Teken . .

Yeah, unfortunately no such beast exists at the moment. Is there any reason you can't install the 120 VAC hardwired one link smoke unit and augment it with the wireless battery operated smoke / co units? Teken . . .

First Alert does make a 120 VAC hardwired one link smoke detector. I have it linked to the smoke bridge along with 9 smoke / co units. Works perfectly fine. Teken . . . Encrypted By: Phoenix Security Solutions

Another cheap and easy trick I have been using is placing a large (width) shallow container under each sink. This allows you to catch a small dripping leak while it pools in a confined space. This is where I have placed the Insteon Leak Sensors & the Flood Stop grid sensor(s). Works great and the added bonus is its used to hold odds and ends like hair spray, tissue, etc. Teken . . .

Where did I/O guys reply go to? Great deployment strategy for sure. Another thing I did was to have a none electrical device which could supplement these electrical devices. They are a burst type water line. Teken . . .

EricK, Worst case scenario is placing the water shut off valve on a UPS system. I did that initially for a few small sub systems while I deployed a much larger whole house UPS back up. I also installed a few dedicated circuits in the home which are backed up by independent UPS systems just in case. A little over kill for most but this is a life long hobby for me so no real harm other than a lighter wallet! Teken . . .

I agree with Gatchel about the delay. This is why local control must be deployed as there are many gallons / litres in the line. This is why a layered approach is key in critical system such as these. All of the point of use items in my home are controlled independently but work as a integrated system to reduce damage, and loss of life. I have personally not installed my main line water valve until I am completely satisfied the other systems are 100%. Testing and validation is paramount at all times along with regular monthly checks. Teken . . .

EricK, If you're using this in a pro active method as stated above. That would be a great solution because you're making the decision to cut off the flow of water. I am just leery about using Insteon as the sole notifier and actuator in any mission critical system. I do however believe Insteon can be a great back up to a primary system. This is the methodology I have built my system(s) upon. The convenience, alert notifications, and scene inclusion, are the key attributes I like about Insteon. Have you tested out your back up generator to see if the AC produced is acceptable and can operate via the PLM, Leak Sensor, to the I/O Link? I would love to hear how this works out. As this could be another great reference thread for those to follow your foot steps. Teken . . .

EricK, I personally would not use or count on the Insteon leak sensor to detect the presence of water. Does this valve interrupt the main water line to the home? I personally use local control and sensors to detect the presence of water. At that time the water supply is turned off along with the power to what ever device its attached to. Your method assumes AC power is present and the Insteon network is able to communicate to this water valve system. I considered the path you took long ago but opted to follow another solution. Teken . . .

My bad, I thought you had a 994. Teken . . . Encrypted By: Phoenix Security Solutions

Have you tried the link with another web browser? Also your firmware is really out of date. Time to update your ISY to the latest 4.1.X release. Teken . . . Encrypted By: Phoenix Security Solutions

LeeG, Isn't the purpose of the compare is to see the difference between the PLM vs the ISY? It has been a very long time since I had to do this soy memory if the intended purpose may be wrong. Insight Teken . . . Encrypted By: Phoenix Security Solutions

Some perspective with respect to the odds of a failing ISY device. You can go to any forum you wish and you will find threads about any Insteon device failing. You will find thousands of such threads. You will also find dozens of threads about dying PLM's. In contrast you will be hard pressed to find multiple threads about the ISY mechanically failing. The ones I am familiar with has to do with the memory card, IR sensor, or power supply. All of which are third party devices which UDI purchased but did not make. Now, with any Beta software there will be bugs and with the assistance of the membership they can be identified and resolved in the next firmware releases. While all of this is going on I would ask you to consider doing a PLM link table compare. This will determine what is missing from the two devices. If you perform the said compare during the next few weeks and it shows missing links. It's safe to say the PLM is end of life. Insteon does not have the same reliability factor when compared to the ISY. I would consider the most likely scenario that the PLM is failing. Teken . . . Encrypted By: Phoenix Security Solutions

Shannong, I will try your program when I return home. If it does the same action great! I will report back success / failure. Teken . . . Encrypted By: Phoenix Security Solutions

LeeG, Thanks for confirming my observations. Encrypted By: Phoenix Security Solutions

Your missing what I am saying completely. If I use 0/0 the entire KPL is unlit. Pressing the buttons with a value of 0/0 does not light up any button. The only method I have found is to use a value of 1. But when you select this option from the drop list WITH a time. It does not work at all. Teken . . . Encrypted By: Phoenix Security Solutions

My reply was to LeeG as there is no method to quote on this App Teken . . . Encrypted By: Phoenix Security Solutions

But does your program allow the KPL to be lit when pressed or activated by another linked Insteon device? All the while the other LEDS in the KPL remain unlit? This doesn't appear to work at all. Teken . . . Encrypted By: Phoenix Security Solutions

Can you make your program with a start time and report back. As it doesn't seem to work with a time from xxx to xxx. Teken . . . Encrypted By: Phoenix Security Solutions