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Both use the exact same software as the isy994 so there isn't much to "learn" about a new system. Besides that, you do not have to upgrade to a new system... Take polisy for example. It's been out for 3 years and yet your current 994 still operates fine. Ditto for these new systems. Because technology itself makes things obsolete, UDI can't support older hardware forever if they want to stay relevant. No one is forcing anyone to upgrade unless they want or desire to take advantage of newer technologies and or capabilities. If you don't want to do so, then your current system will work fine for you for years to come.

It's not that big of a deal. Polisy and eisy will continue to be supported in tandem in addition to being able to accomplish the same things. There are a few things eisy can do that polisy can't (it has an HDMI port) but overall for most people it's the same. If you wait long enough, there will be an eisy 2. Unfortunately the days of a 10 year controller are probably over with.

Yup!

That's how it will work.

I'm confused. Insteon wouldn't be communicating in that way. You're not reading my statements for context. Nothing I'm saying has anything to do with whether or not UDI is supporting matter as it has already been established as such nor about how matter itself works. Ive already read countless articles about matter in addition to attending every developer webinar they have. This is why I've stated countless times, that Matter can accomplish what the op asked if all parties implement matter fully. The reason why I state no one knows is simply because mfg have not has stated what capabilities they will support other than saying they'll support matter. Some things can be assumed can from mfg. press releases (including their history) and device type. For example, a wifi based system such as wemo will be simple devices due to the nature of their setup and system type. Others such as hue will be controllers (even if they meet the router conditions). There's a lot of fluff but details are sorely lacking in regards to matters existence you are correct. However, the big 3 decided to work together so that things would be more fluid with their systems. They were looking more at consumer complaints in regards to integrations within their world vs people wanting fully automated homes from the likes of UDI and other advanced controllers. This was about self preservation for themselves not the automation world as a whole. Can we benefit. Of course. But big picture, it's not about us overall.

Read for context. Immediately preceding the statement you copied, I stated "No one can answer anything because no one knows. It will take every mfg implementing matter in such a way that everyone can communicate together." Taken in totality, the line has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not Matter itself would be successful (which is why I didn't use that word). I was referring to everyone implementing things in full. IE: if UDI is open to other devices via matter but others aren't, then cross platform access will not happen.

Insteon is planning on making their new hub matter compatible so they wouldn't need polisy for that. Only polisy (or those desiring to use UDI as their controller) would need Polisy to integrate insteon with matter. In both cases, the insteon hub. And polisy would simply be a bridge to the greater system. In regards to advanced controllers, Matter wasn't designed for them. However, as technology goes, they have to follow in order to remain relevant. Imagine looking for a controller as a new uniformed user. With Matter being the "Next big thing", would they purchase an Isy if they couldn't use it with Matter? Besides, the Isy doesn't work with every single device out there. Depending on what UDI does, this could be a way of supporting more devices without needing to wait for native control via a noderserver. Why wouldn't there be a need to use insteon with matter if starting fresh? If I could use my insteon keypad to turn on my hue bulbs and change colors, why wouldnt i want that vs needing to use other alternatives? There are plenty of things that can be done outside of the Isy world. You just have to be able to see past that.

Where did i ever mention anything about whether Matter would fail or succeed. Hue may implement matter in such a way that their devices are exposed to a controller but if you use the hue app, it'll only work with their stuff (in this case it's a bridge). Alexa and Google can now pull all of your devices that are in the Isy to be used with their systems (if you allow). Why would that change in the future when polisy (and eisy) will be matter capable? Their hardware is already Matter capable. As I've stated many times (including my post you linked to) no one knows because it's not out yet. Things can be devices, bridges, controllers, or routers. All with differening capabilities. Until it's out, it's impossible to say what can be done, with what, and how. it comes down to how each mfg. implements things (including UDI). If everyone opened their system up to being a router, then yes, it would be possible based on what is said about border routers. However, it still comes down to how it's implemented.

How many logic based controllers are there now? It's not like companies are rushing to make logic based controllers now. Why would matter change that? UDI has already stated their intentions are to support matter. HA, homeseer, and hubitat has done the same as well. People want voice assistants and the logic they offer is usually more than enough for most people. As I've stated for the last few years, this stuff isn't designed for us anymore. They are designed for mass users. The avg user who may want to control a few things but not have to invest a large amount of time and money into it. Look at who was pushing Matter in the first place and why!

No one can answer anything because no one knows. It will take every mfg implementing matter in such a way that everyone can communicate together. If anyone leaves something out then the whole system fails. We can't say how something will work until things are released because we don't know what other mfg. have in store with their systems. For example, when homekit came out, it was promised that any homekit enabled system app could control any other homekit capable device. The problem was; only a few companies fully adopted homekit. Most made their devices discoverable by other homekit devices. Their app just wouldn't do the controlling of other brands. This led apple to creating their own app. The same thing could potentially happen with thread. Since they haven't really given details on how things will be, no one can say. Anything anyone says (including myself) is conjecture, wishful thinking, or dreadful thoughts. How devices communicate with one another is irrelevant to the overall discussion. It doesn't matter if it's ZigBee, thread, wifi, insteon or zwave. The controller (in this case it would be polisy) sends out the command using the relevant form of communication. No difference with now. The Isy can communicate with IP based devices, zwave, and insteon devices without issue. The matter board is ZigBee/thread so it would be able to do the same with both using the chipset they've chosen. Insteon doesn't use ZigBee but when I turn my hue lights on from the switch, my hue lights turn on. Why? Because the isy talks to the hue hub which in turn talks to the hue devices. Ditto for my zwave. They don't talk insteon but my lights will turn on if i walk in from of a sensor. This is because zwave board picks up the zwave signal, tells Polisy which then communicates to the insteon devices via the PLM. What's so difficult in the same being done with other Matter devices? HA can currently scan the Isy and pick up the devices that the isy has. Ditto for the isy with hubitat via it's Node server. I'm not sure why people think it's far fetched to think that the same can't be done with Matter. Once again; It will take all parties implementing things fully and properly. But....until it's released and being used, no one can say what will happen and how it can work.

For situations like yours, i keep my programs in a folder with the condition attached to it. If presence is false then allow programs to run.

I cannot. There's been numerous threads over the past 6 months or so about it. Too much to take the time to dig through for specific information. UDI chose the path that they did to enable future matter support. If everything and everyone does what matter claims then there will be cross communication. No difference with how I stein devices can work with voice assistants without using an insteon hub. As I stated earlier, no one knows exactly how matter will work so no one can say what exactly will happen. It could be a situation like homekit where apple created an ecosystem that had certain capabilities but most manufacturers did not take advantage of it. Until it's released And UDIs board is finalized, how everything will interact together is up in the air.

That's what the Matter/zwave board is for. In essence, the Isy/polisy is a hub. Using the matter board with polisy/eisy, you'll be able to take advantage of what matter has to offer (depending on how everyone designs their system around matter). Insteon is creating their new hub for Matter to be used for their own ecosystem. No different than current UDI users being able to use Alexa/Google withouut the insteon hub

If you have the 300 zwave board in your Isy then you need to stay where you are. If no zwave board or the 500 board, whatever shows up under the current release (software releases &updates) tab for the Isy (i believe 5.3.4)

A press release has nothing to do with how something will work in real life. The same stuff was claimed with homekit and we see how that went once actually released. Michel has already answered with the same response to the other times this question has been asked.

No one can answer that since matter isn't out yet. Based on what matter claims then yes. What reality is could be different.

I would use variables for this to create a counter that resets whenever the light is off. If the variable is 0 and the light is off then set it to 1 (and turn on light) when motion is triggered. If variable is 1 and light is on, then turn the light off. If the light is off then set the variable back to 0. With that said, you'd need to make sure the sensor could only pick you up as you walk in or out of the room. If it picks you up anywhere in the room, it won't work since it'll keep turning the lights on and off. As mentioned earlier, you'll want to put the motion sensor in only on mode. You'll also need to position the sensor in such a way (such as a doorway) that it cant pick up any additional movement. You may need to cover parts of it to make sure that you have as narrow of a beam as possible as well. You'll also want to ensure a single command goes out as additional commands could cause the lights to go out. There will be some trial and error.

I doubt many here would be a fan of automatic updates for the simple fact that a bug can potentially break their system. How many times have you seen phone and other computer updates cause issues for users? (I tend to apply updates after I've tested them with my backup system). Polisy does let you know you know if there's a firmware update available for it. PG3 is still in development so they probably do not want to make that as easy since things can go sideways during these early stages.

Yes. Just use the zwave only firmware for your system. This can be found under the software releases and updates section of these forums. Once done, restore your isy. Once restored, upgrade to the latest firmware. Personally speaking, I'd just go for it. More people cause more issues trying to avoid issues than going forward with things

I wouldn't add a dimmer to anything that is not designed to be dimmable

If you have the zwave board for your Isy (or can find one) then yes you can use a zwave outlet with your Isy. Depending on both end device and isy locations, you may need additional devices to build a strong mesh network in order to get the signal to your outlet.

See post above yours. You could purchase a zwave USB stick and download 3rd party software to your computer such as simplicity studio

Doesn't matter. Whatever makes most sense and easiest for you. They both perform the same

I'll take maple bourbon goat cheese...

Copy scene attributes was removed. With 5.xxx supporting multiple device types in scenes, it no longer worked properly. Why did you stop at 5.3.3 instead of .4? 5.3.4 is the latest