EricK

I am not sure if drinking and programming mix well, but this is what I cam up with last night. I did not find a good wiki yet on the proper syntax for variables but will keep reading about them. Program one, turn lights on at Sunset: If Time is Sunset - 11 minutes Then Set Scene 'Outside / Landscape Lights' On Else - No Actions - (To add one, press 'Action') Program Two, turn lights off at midnight if the work kpl is off: If Time is 11:59:00PM And Status 'Hall and Foyer / Hallway KPL8 - A - Hallway / Hallway KPL8 - F - Work' is Off Then Set Scene 'Outside / Landscape Lights' Off Else - No Actions - (To add one, press 'Action') Program 3, lights off at sunrise-1 hour always. If Time is Sunrise - 1 hour Then Set Scene 'Outside / Landscape Lights' Off Else - No Actions - (To add one, press 'Action') Programs 4 and 5 enable the button to turn the lights on and off. Program 4, turns lights on from midnight to sunset-1 hour if the kpl is on. This should work even if I turn the kpl on at 7AM. Once it is midnight and the button is on the program will be true. I left a short gap between program 2 and 4, but do not see a situation where the lights would go off then on. If From 12:00:00AM To Sunset - 1 hour (same day) And Control 'Hall and Foyer / Hallway KPL8 - A - Hallway / Hallway KPL8 - F - Work' is switched On Then Set Scene 'Outside / Landscape Lights' On Else - No Actions - (To add one, press 'Action') Program 5 turns the light off only between MN and sunrise-1hr, so if I come home at 2am and turn off the work kpl, lights off. If I come home at 10pm and turn off the kpl, then by program 2 the lights should turn off at 1159. I think I can combine programs one and 3. I will also need another program to turn off the kpl button in case I forget to. Let me know what you think. Eric

Guys, this is great help. Sorry about the moving target. I do not want the kpl to directly control the lights. However, I do want the lights to turn off if I were to come home at 2am and turn off the work kpl. Eric

Well, I did not think I was ready for the variable class, but I guess I'll have to start studying. I now understand that in the second program that if I toggle on the button, which I do only want to use as an indicator, outside of the the time range that the program will be false and turn off the lights. I'll see what I can do with this over the weekend. Definitely not a necessity, but fun to do. Thanks, Eric

Is this not what you expected? Sorry, I did not pick up on using status rather than control in your post. Trying to come up the ISY learning curve quickly. Eric

oberkc, thanks for helping me with this. You did bring up a good point, Sometimes I have to go at after midnight and want the lights on. With your first program if the KPL button is off will the lights turn on? Code: if time is sunset-10 minutes and control KPL button is not switched off then turn on landscape lights else turn off landscape lights Unfortunately, I woke up in the middle of the night and stayed awake for a while thinking about these programs. How does this look. First program, always turn on the lights. if time is sunset-10 minutes then Set scene 'Outside / Landscape Lights' On Second program to keep the lights on from MN to Sunrise-1 hour only if the work kpl is on. If I go out at 1230AM and hit the KPL button (which does not directly turn on the lights, although that is an option), the program should be true and turn the lights on. if time is MN to Sunrise-1 hour And Status 'Hall and Foyer / Hallway KPL8 - A - Hallway / Hallway KPL8 - F - Work' is on then Set scene 'Outside / Landscape Lights' On else Set scene 'Outside / Landscape Lights' Off Third program to always keep the lights off from Sunrise to Sunset. I don't think I need this but it is a back up. The landscape lights and moon lights are both plugged into the same appliance linc. If we ever have to work on the lights (next time a light is run over) then I have to plug both timer boxes directly into the wall From sunrise To Sunset-5 minutes (same day) Set Scene 'Outside / Landscape Lights' Off Have a great weekend. Eric

Sometimes I have to work late and come home to a dark driveway. On days when I think I am going to be late I want to be able to turn on a kpl button to keep the landscape lights on until I come home. I'm having trouble formulating the programming for this. I currently have the landscape lights set for the following program: If From Sunset - 10 minutes To 11:58:00PM (same day) Then Set 'Outside / Landscape Lights' On Else Set 'Outside / Landscape Lights' Off I think I need to add this condition so if the kpl button is off the program will run as usual. If it on the program will be false and not run: If From Sunset - 10 minutes To 11:58:00PM (same day) And Status 'Hall and Foyer / Hallway KPL8 - A - Hallway / Hallway KPL8 - F - Work' is Off Then Set 'Outside / Landscape Lights' On Else Set 'Outside / Landscape Lights' Off However, if the kpl button is on then I want this "Landscape Work" program to occur: If From Sunset - 10 minutes To Sunrise - 1 hour (next day) And Status 'Hall and Foyer / Hallway KPL8 - A - Hallway / Hallway KPL8 - F - Work' is not Off Then Set 'Outside / Landscape Lights' On Else Set 'Outside / Landscape Lights' Off What if I come home at 1am then I will want to turn off the kpl button and have the landscape lights turn off. I chose to use this program, (I just created a scene for the lights even though there is only one device just in case I want to add something else to them). If I turn the work KPL off, then the lights will go off. The "Landscape Work" program will then be false. If Control 'Hall and Foyer / Hallway KPL8 - A - Hallway / Hallway KPL8 - F - Work' is switched Off Then Set Scene 'Outside / Landscape Lights' Off Else - No Actions - (To add one, press 'Action') Is this the best way to do this? Maybe I should just leave the lights on until the morning every day, but what fun would that be. Thanks, Eric

I created a program to take care of the all off. Here appears to be the solution for the dining kpl status. This program works when the kitchen lights were triggered off from the ISY (meaning the dining kpl turned off): If Status 'Great Room / Great Room Devices / GR Kitchen Lights' is Off Or Status 'Great Room / Great Room Devices / GR Island Lights' is Off Or Status 'Great Room / Great Room Devices / GR Breakfast Lights (DB)' is Off Or Status 'Great Room / Great Room Devices / GR Pantry Lights' is Off Or Status 'Great Room / Great Room Devices / GR Sink KPL - A Cabinet' is Off Or Status 'Great Room / Great Room Devices / GR Cabinets R (DB)' is Off Or Status 'Great Room / Great Room Devices / GR Family Room Lights' is On Or Status 'Great Room / Great Room Devices / GR Spots KPL (DB) - A Spots' is not Off Then Wait 4 seconds Set Scene 'Great Room / GR Dining KPLs' Off Else - No Actions - (To add one, press 'Action') This following program did not work when the kitchen lights were turned off from a kpl button, only if the switchlinc listed in the program was physically turned off: If Control 'Great Room / Great Room Devices / GR Kitchen Lights' is switched Off Or Control 'Great Room / Great Room Devices / GR Island Lights' is switched Off Then Set Scene 'Great Room / GR Dining KPLs' Off Else - No Actions - (To add one, press 'Action')

Xathros, I think I will give that a try. I have a scene for the kitchen lights that includes a switchlinc (load) and 3 kpl buttons. With your method I would have to include all memebers. With the way I have if the kitchen lights are turned off by one of the kpl buttons then the switchlinc will turn off. That should accomplish what I want with less devices added to the program. Eric

Thanks oberkc. Ill just add to the last program to include 'switched off' for all devices that should be on for the dining scene and vice versa. Regarding the 'non-toggle off' all off button for the new keypad, it is also remaining on. Not sure why this is so I may need to create a program to keep it off. I felt a bit sorry for HL last night when I disconnected the PLM from my computer. But, I am really enjoying the power of the ISY. Eric

Lee, you are right but I had this working with HL. I set the program as a a work around. I finally have all of my devices added to the ISY although I need to work on my shades a bit. Then leak sensors. I am trying to create programs to check the status of the dining scene and if the scene is disrupted to turn off the dining kpls. I used this link as a guide: http://www.adamsj.com/isy/basementA.htm Here is the first program that checks to see if the dining KPLs are lit. I really only need to check the status of one button not both: If Status 'Great Room / Great Room Devices / GR Spots KPL (DB) - A Spots / GR Spots KPL (DB) - E Dining' is not Off Or Status 'Great Room / Great Room Devices / GR Sink KPL - A Cabinet / GR Sink KPL - H Dining' is not Off Then Run Program 'Check Dining Scene Devices' (If) Else - No Actions - (To add one, press 'Action') Here is the 'Check dining scene devices' program which I set as disabled. If Status 'Great Room / Great Room Devices / GR Kitchen Lights' is Off Or Status 'Great Room / Great Room Devices / GR Island Lights' is Off Or Status 'Great Room / Great Room Devices / GR Breakfast Lights (DB)' is Off Or Status 'Great Room / Great Room Devices / GR Pantry Lights' is Off Or Status 'Great Room / Great Room Devices / GR Sink KPL - A Cabinet' is Off Or Status 'Great Room / Great Room Devices / GR Cabinets R (DB)' is Off Or Status 'Great Room / Great Room Devices / GR Family Room Lights' is On Or Status 'Great Room / Great Room Devices / GR Spots KPL (DB) - A Spots' is not Off Then Wait 4 seconds Set Scene 'Great Room / GR Dining KPLs' Off Else - No Actions - (To add one, press 'Action') If I activate the dining scene, turn off the kitchen lights, then run the if of the first program, then the dining kpls turn off. However, if I just wait after turning off the kitchen lights, the dining kpls do not turn off. Maybe I did not wait long enough, in other words how often does the ISY check statuses. Or should I do something like this. If the kitchen lights are switched off from a kpl button, will this work. Or is it only if the kitchen light switch link is manually turned off. If Control 'Great Room / Great Room Devices / GR Kitchen Lights' is switched Off Or Control 'Great Room / Great Room Devices / GR Island Lights' is switched Off Then Set Scene 'Great Room / GR Dining KPLs' Off Else - No Actions - (To add one, press 'Action') Thanks, Eric

I swapped out the old kpl for a new DB and re-added all of the buttons to scenes rather than replace device and now things work fine. However, one of my other older keypads in the room has two buttons that are not turning off in response to a scene. I created a new scene for them and a program is able to run to turn them off. Maybe tonight I'll get working on the Dining Scene KPL LED status checker. Happy Holiday. Eric

This particular all off button worked fine with hl. The all off button also works fine with the isy in the theater. I'll see what happens after I switch out the Kpl. I don't want to use the replace function in case there are bad links even thoug I have reset this Kpl 3 times. Will be a bit of work to get all of the buttons added to all of the scenes. For the kitchen lights there is a switchlinc plus two other Kpl buttons. I added these three responders to my dining scene together to keep them grouped together. It makes it easier to handle setting responses if all devices for a particular light are in a row. Devices in a scene are listed in the order added. Is there a way to change the order. Eric

Hello, Hopefully I can get this thread back on track. I got things set up last night but am having problems with my Keypad (3.5 years old). When I set the all off button to non toggle off the button stays lit although the function is still sending non toggle off.. Also I have programs to be triggered by my dining and nights scene buttons that dont run. I had a problem 2 weeks ago where two KPLs seemed to have lost programming. Ill try switching the keypad out to a new dual band, thank you smarthome sale. For the dining scene I have certain devices on (kitchen, island, breakfast, pantry, cabinetsx2). I want to set up a program ("dining scene kpl tracker") to track the status of the scene and to turn the dining kpl off if the scene is disrupted. I have searched for this and think I understand it. Something like: If status kitchen lights not on or status island lights not on etc Then turn scene dining kpl scene off. (Both dining scene control kpls buttons are responders of the dining kpl scene) Would I need a separate program to turn off the dining kpls if say the family room lights (non-dimming, not part of the dining scene) are turned on. I think I could just add a line or status family room lights are on. Does having a program like this generate traffic. Can I create the program to run only if the dining kpls are on. If they are off, no need to check every device. Ex: If status dining KPL sink is on or if status dining KPL spots is on and If status kitchen lights not on or status island lights not on etc Or do I need two programs for this. ex: If status dining KPL sink is on or if status dining KPL spots is on then run program "dining scene kpl tracker" Thank you, Eric

I have to forget how HL works. Right now I am setting up two scenes for my great room, Dining and Night. All the same devices, but different responses depending upon whether the dinner button or night button is the trigger. So instead of two, I could really have just one scene. This can make it easier when adding devices to the room, since you only have to add it to one scene. Really more of a group than a scene, but I get it. I probably have to keep two since I am using Roomie Remote which can control each scene separately. Thank you very much, Eric

Aha! I did not understand how the scenes worked. I thought that when I clicked on the scene name and adjusted the reponders that I was setting the on/off levels for the scene. I did not realize that this was only if the ISY triggered the scene. I see now that I have to click on each controller for the scene and adjust levels from there. By the way. The purpose of my pic was to show the devices in the scene, that the scene name was highlighted, and that the on levels for the family room lights and spots was set to 0. Makes sense when you understand my misunderstanding. Thank you Oberkc. I will continue to try to master the ISY. Eric

I finally added the 11 devices in my great room. I am trying to get my dinner scene working. All devices turn on except the spot lights (load controlled by KPL A) and family room lights (load controlled by switchlinc). The two dinner scene non-toggle on buttons are on 8 button KPLs 2486 v.4 and .41. I have the load controllers for the spots and family room lights set to on level 0 as well as the cross linked kpl buttons for those devices. When I hit the dinner scene kpl the spots, family room lights, and all of the corresponding kpl buttons turn on, not off. With my older kpls, the dinner button cannot turn off a kpl on the same keypad, but they should be able to turn off a switchlinc. With houselinc I used an event to turn off the KPL buttons. In the mean time I will make a program to turn off the spot light and family room light scenes with the dinner on. thanks, Eric

I think in the thread that I posted the link to they used the beep. Great idea, but may not hear it in the shower. Long ramp may work but I put dimmable CFLs in that don't dim that well. Thanks, eric

Thanks for the replies. I will change my program to check the status. In order to extend the program I am ok with turning the light off then on again. I turn the light off when I get out of the shower so now my wife will not get caught in the dark. I'll consider adding the flash a minute or two before the timer runs out. I have come across so many incredibly creative programs I am just thinking of ways to use them. Have a great holiday everyone. Eric

There is no motion sensor.

Just found this link in another thread. As a new user I thought it was worthwhile. http://www.adamsj.com/isy/programming.htm He wrote: 5. 'Not Off' is Different from 'On' If you want to test if a light is illuminated at all, then you want to test for 'Not Off'. Performing a test for 'On' actually is testing for the light to be at 100%, which is probably not what you want.

Hi, Sorry in advance for the long read. I have been reading thru a lot of post Q+A and how to's and found this thread about a count down timer. viewtopic.php?f=26&t=11431 Currently our shower light is in a scene that is controlled by a switchlinc (load) and two kpl buttons. I currently have this program to turn the light off after one hour: If Control 'Master Bathroom / Master Shower Light' is switched On Then Wait 1 hour Set Scene 'Master Bathroom / Shower Light' Off Else - No Actions - (To add one, press 'Action') However, there could be a situation where one of us turns the light on and takes a shower, then 58 minutes later the other gets in the shower with the light on. After 2 minutes, they would be in the dark. I am not sure if the light is switched off after the first person gets out that the program stops the way I have it. So even if I get out of the shower, turn the light off, and my wife turns the scene back on a little while later the light would still turn off at the 1 hour mark. In any case I want to set the program so that if the light is turned off manually, that the countdown stops. Do I just need to add the condition "or status 'Master Bathroom / Master Shower Light' is not off" to accomplish this. I will want to replicate this for the fan, same set up. I could combine the light and fan into one scene, but like to keep the light separate because sometimes I use it as a night light. Thank you, Eric Really enjoying my ISY so far.

Using the program ID seems to work

Hi, I have a seco-larm 226 garage door sensor, for closed circuits (door closed, circuit intact, sensor shows on) connected to an io linc. I had this set up with house linc with a scene with the io linc sensor as a controller and a kpl button as a responder. This worked fine, garage door open, KPL light on. I had an event, sensor open, (meaning the garage door is open), send a message at night. This now seems to not make sense. If the sensor is open that should mean door open or off, so thise should not turn the KPL button on. However there is a property for the io linc in HL to reverse the sensor repsonse. I set this up with my new ISY. The door is currently closed, and the sensor shows off. I assume this means that I need to set up a program for the kpl to show the device status. I do have the notification set up to text me if the door is open, sensor is off at night. Is there a way to reverse the sensor with the ISY. Probably I will just order the three wire sensor so I can have door closed, circuit open, sensor off. Thoughts. Eric

Ok, so you have a 6 button kpl. I have 2 now, the other 9 are 8 buttons. I do not like to have the off button LED on ever. I know when the load is off so why do I need a big OFF button lit up. You can keep this button pressing and holding the button until it beeps, then again, then again. Regarding the A LED. Since this is a 6 button KPL (I hope), A is not physically connected to the load. Create a scene, "KPL buttons off". Add the kpl buttons as responders of the scene. You can make the responders on. Make a program, "Turn KPL buttons off" to run on a schedule, or have it run thru a time range. Example: If Time is 9:45:00PM Then Set Scene 'Theater / Movie Scene KPLs off' Off Else - No Actions - (To add one, press 'Action') Let me know if this is what you are trying to do. Eric

Hi, Consider posting this with pics in the smarthome.com/forum where the mods give excellent device and wiring help. Consider an in-line linc in one of the fixtures to control it. Then install a keypad 6 or 8 button with the load control for the other switch. Then use one of the secondary keypad buttons to control the in-line linc. Use the other buttons to control other scenes or devices. I have mostly 8 button KPLs, however, the 6 button mimics a regular decora style switch, top on, bottom off. (To keep the off button LED off on the 6 button when the load is off press and hold the off button until it beeps, do that a second time, then a third time). Not sure a micro module would work without a switch for it. Eric Consider then changing out the other switches to decora style to match. You will have to handle the other double switch.