EricK

So I have my leak sensors set up with the great leak sensor programs to notify me of a leak. I want to also get a notification if my Elk valve closes and need some help. I set up two programs. The first lets me know that the relay has closed the valve: If Status 'Water Valve / Water Valve io Linc-Relay' is On Then Send Notification to 'Eric text' content 'Water Valve has closed' Else - No Actions - (To add one, press 'Action') Relay On = Water valve closed. The next program lets me know that the sensor has turned on. I know that this is the only way to know for sure that the valve has closed, but to me getting the two notifications lets me know with high certainty that the valve is closed. If Status 'Water Valve / Water Valve io Linc-Sensor' is On Then Wait 15 seconds Send Notification to 'Eric text' content 'Water Valve sensor on' Else - No Actions - (To add one, press 'Action') This sends a message to confirm that the valve has closed. I also have two buttons on a kpl to control/monitor the water valve. One button can close the valve, fast on required, or open it. The other button is a monitor to tell me the status of the relay. If I turn the valve off with the kpl then I can see the sensor status by looking at the other kpl button. So I do not need to be notified if I press the kpl button. I only want to be notified if the kpl button closes by some other means (such as a leak, since the leak sensors are all controllers of the valve). So how can I set this up. I'm thinking it could be something complicated with variables. Pressing the kpl would set a variable to a value of 1 for example, and the notification programs would not run if that variable is not=0. This also just made me rethink about that scene. If any leak sensor shows wet, then the valve closes by scene control. On testing this works fine, but in theory if the wet then turns off, couldn't the relay turn off closing the valve. Thanks, Eric My valve which I posted in another thread: viewtopic.php?f=27&t=13540

I'm sure you will get better help than this, but here are my thoughts. I think the problem is the scene controlled by the door sensor and the program are in conflict. I would consider increasing the wait time to 5 seconds to see if that works. I have one of my door sensors set as two node(I think) so when the door is opened the lights turn on by scene control. The lights do not turn off when the door closes. You might then be able to use a program to turn the lights off depending upon the scene status.

Here is a pic of my secolarm door sensor. I replaced my original one with the three wire version. I can understand why having the sensor on when the door is closed is helpful for some. However the majority of us do want the sensor on when the door is open which makes it easier to trigger events/scenes. There was one user that set up sensors to determine if the door was closed and if it was all the way open (not sure why).

The smarthome forum is a great place to get help with your insteon gear. The mods and others are excellent with wiring and set up issues. http://forum.smarthome.com/ E

The non dimming switch is connected to the load. Swap the switches and you should be good. It could probably be done without moving the switches if the set up was originally a three way, but just exchanging the locations will be more straightforward.

even if the dimmer is not connected to the load you should be able to dim it. If you press and hold the dimmer on you should see the LEDs on the side slowly go up. The non dimming switch will just turn full on. If you can produce this behavior and the lights do not dim then you just need to switch the switches. Hopefully you do not need to pay to have that done. Eric

Question: which switch is connected to the load? If it is not the dimmer, then the lights will not dim.

Great ideas about the pump, now this is my next project. Is it only necessary to split the programs because of the motion sensor. Otherwise couldn't it be just one program. Else would be to turn the pump off. If all of the lights are off, the program is false and the pump turns off. Or is it an issue of getting the then of program 2 to repeat. I also have an elk valve. If the valve is off, then it is unlikely that a light would be on, so the pump would stay off. Unless you are home and a leak sensor triggers the valve. Thanks, Eric

So I finally have this set up installed. I had to add an extension onto the float switch so I used landscape wire with a small weatherproof junction box. The problem is that I am not communicating with the io linc. The appliance linc works fine. I even piggy backed the io linc into the appliance linc and that still did not work. The entire circuit is controlled by a DB switchlinc. So insteon signals should be getting there. I am going to switch out the appliance linc for a DB device to see if that helps and already plugged an AP into the io linc (with no improvement). This is outside, not far from the house. Ideally with the DB on/off in the sockit box and the AP plugged into our screened porch this will work. I also need to add a quick connect into the io linc so I can unplug the float switch easily. Thanks for looking. Edit: bad io linc, will get it swapped out.

Couldn't you have two scenes. One scene is triggered by the Kpl button and includes the other device. Then the second scene is controlled by the other device with the Kpl button as a responder. Press the Kpl, all lights on, press again and all lights off. If the Kpl is on and you turn off the other device, the Kpl will turn off. One Problem with this method is if you turn the other device on then the Kpl will turn on. You would then need to turn the Kpl off then on again to trigger your scene. E

I had the two wire secolarm switch but had to switch to the three wire that lee mentioned. Now the Kpl button is on when the door is open. Only problem with this product is that the lead wires are a bit short, so make sure you have some extra wire and some small connectors around.

By the way, if you do not see the program ID it is in the column all the way to the right in the program summary in the admin console. There is no way to scroll over to it, so depending upon your screen size you may need to just shrink up a few columns to get the last one on the screen. E

Glad you got it working. However, I would probably just make the Kpl button a controller of scene xxx1 and eliminate programs 1 and 2. This way you are just relying on device to device communication, not on the isy to run a program. Things usually work faster that way. E

Scene XXXX should include the KPL you want to turn off as a responder. Check this site for some ISY info that I think is very helpful. The second part has a watcher program, similar to what you want to do. http://www.adamsj.com/isy/ Eric

Smithers, I posted you message here to make sure you get the info you need. He wrote I actually do not have this installed yet, maybe this weekend I will get it done. The io linc has two parts, a sensor and a relay. The float switch is connected to the sensor which has two terminals. When there is a connection between the two terminals, the sensor turns on. I believe the switch in the link you provided is a normally open switch. So when it is down there is no connection. When the float goes up, the circuit in the switch closes, or completed, which then connects the two sensor terminals on the io linc, turning the sensor on. The float switch I bought can be wired normally open or normally closed. What I have is a low voltage switch. What you have in your link is a regular voltage switch. People use regular voltage to directly turn on a pump if their tank gets too full. It should still work for the io linc, however the terminals are fairly small so you are not going to get the 16g wire into them. You may need to step the wire size down. Here is where we need more help. You should be able to wire the black and white wires of the float switch to the sensor terminals (G and S). I think you can leave off the ground wire. Also think about setting this up with a normally closed switch. So the sensor would be on when the water level is ok. If the sensor turns off, it means that the switch has malfunctioned, which happens, or the water level went up. Make sure to give feedback on your project so others can learn from it. Eric

My new 6 button Kpl works fine, so this all off problem seems to involve only the 8 button version. Edit, the 6 button is v0.41.

So tried to manually set the KPL to non toggle off. It seems to only go between toggle and non-toggle on, I think I recall pointing out that the user manual for the KPL only shows No Always Off listed. So maybe a device hardware problem since my older devices work fine. Now the KPL button does not want to go back to the ISY "non toggle off", so I added to my correction program. If Control 'Great Room / Great Room Devices / GR Spots KPL (DB) - A Spots / GR Spots KPL (DB) - H All Off' is switched Off Or Control 'Great Room / Great Room Devices / GR Spots KPL (DB) - A Spots / GR Spots KPL (DB) - H All Off' is switched On Then Wait 5 seconds Set Scene 'Great Room / GR All Off KPL Off' Off Else - No Actions - (To add one, press 'Action') Maybe Michel will have some ideas on this. Eric

Brian, This issue was addresses in this thread: viewtopic.php?f=26&t=13123&start=15 I continue to have this problem with firmware 4.1 with a KPL 2334 v 0.43. It is interesting that you observed different behaviors of the KPL based upon the responder settings. I have responders set to 0% for my all off scene in the great room. I just tried setting the response for the all off button "H" to 100%, but the problems persisted. Meaning when I press the all off button it stays lit. I have a program that runs to turn the KPL button off: If Control 'Great Room / Great Room Devices / GR Spots KPL (DB) - A Spots / GR Spots KPL (DB) - H All Off' is switched Off Then Wait 5 seconds Set Scene 'Great Room / GR All Off KPL Off' Off Else - No Actions - (To add one, press 'Action') I have not tried manually setting the KPL to non-toggle off, but will give that a try. Eric

The Kpl button only needs to be a responder of the button scene. It is already a controller of the all off scene. I've only had the isy for 4 or 5 months. I learned quickly that you cannot send a direct command to turn a Kpl button on or off. An insteon limitation I think, so probably was never possible. You have to add the button to a scene and then control the scene. Eric

Lee, I am going to give that a try. i did not think that method worked for the 6 button kpl off button, since it is essentially already a non toggle off. Eric

This is what you want I think, posted by tfitzpatri8, the smarthome forum mod E See thread here: https://www.smarthome.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=7604

Hi, Create a scene called "Master Bedroom:Keypad - D". Turn that scene on or off Your program would then include, (by selecting the code button code posting looks like this) Then Set scene 'Master Suite / Master Bedroom:Keypad - D' On/Off Does that take care of it? E

Glad things worked for you. Oberkc, this post was not made by the thread starter, but by a different poster. Eric

Yes, use a program. There are some possible variations on the if statement for the control. May need to add fast off. If Control 'Basement / Basement Devices / KPL Basement Steps (DB) / KPL - A - Basement Lights' is switched Off Then Wait 10 minutes Set Scene 'Great Room / GR All Off' Off Else - No Actions - (To add one, press 'Action')

I think you can approach this with a variable. Create a state variable name whatever you like. Then have a program if kpl is on then set state variable =1. Then have a program if state variable=1 and time is 630 then. ...... Since I am not a variable expert, I do believe it is a state variable, not integer. Eric