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Thanks for the info. I see that Aeotec has a product called TriSensor 8, which does not appear to have a USB power option.

Looking for recommendations for a ZWAVE motion sensor that can be used outdoors and has a non-battery option (typically USB) for power. I have tried to use a ZOOZ ZSE29 in the past, and it has not reliably detected motion, and I have seen posts from others who were not satisfied with it either. I see that Aeotec has a multisensor 7 out. AFAIK, it is not specifically rated for outside use, but I suspect if it is mostly out of the rain it will work (I have used older Aeotec multisensors in a partially covered outdoor environment in the past with success). The Multisensor 7 has a bunch of other functionality that I don't really need. If there was another motion detection choice that was reliable, had a non-battery option, and was less expensive, that would be ideal.

I downloaded the update just now. Paste has been restored. @Javi thank you!

I have updated to Android 1.1.79 As before, I can add a device to the root of the favorites folder by selecting the "Add to Favorites" choice. Now I want to move that favorite into an existing folder located at the root of the UD Mobile favorites menu. I do not see a way to do that anymore. I can select "move to favorites folder" on the favorite, but when I then select one of the existing favorites folders there is no option to paste?

Makes sense. And the same API via M1XEP that M1ToGo uses I would guess?....While ElkRP also connects via the M1XEP, it has M1 configuration/initialization capability that the 7TS does not. So I was hoping that I could use ElkRP for the system bringup, and not have the added expense of a keypad. But I suspect you are correct, and at least one keypad is required. It would certainly be a stronger design for Elk to support a "virtual keypad" with the 7TS and not require a physical one, but perhaps it was less development cost to keep the existing API unchanged.....Elk's target audience is probably neither frugal, nor DIY 😁

The 7TS touchscreen is now available, and Elk has a Reference Guide for it on their website. The questions that I have are (Note that Elk does not support consumers directly, so I can't just ask them): Can a M1 install can be done using only a M1XEP and ElkRP, with no physical keypad present? Does the 7TS support a M1 system which has no physical keypad installed? @Jimbo.Automates, does the Elk nodeserver currently require at least one physical keypad be present? I'm doing a new install soon, and a single 7TS touchscreen would be sufficient for the house I am installing it in. If at least one physical keypad is required, I'll install one, but if not, I can save the money and just use a 7TS. Here is some related information from the 7TS Reference Guide: It is clear that you can not use the 7TS to configure a M1. From the 7TS Reference Guide: "The M1 app on the ELK-7TS provides a clean modern user interface for controlling an M1 system. It is not designed or intended for M1 system programming or configuration." The 7TS reference manual on page 9 shows a picture of the "Security page". The picture shows a pull down box labeled "Keypad". The text says that "Keypad Selector: This drop down box allows you to change which keypad you are viewing, if multiple keypads exist in the system." Here is some info on what the choices are for providing network and power for the 7TS: The 7TS does not connect to an M1 system via the RS485 bus, rather it connects via a M1XEP. The 7TS can connect to wifi, or wired ethernet w/out POE, or wired ethernet with POE. If using WIFI, or wired ethernet w/out POE, a 12-14VDC 1.5amp power supply is also required(purchased separately). If using wired ethernet w/out POE, a POE47TS ethernet adapter and a DC supply are also required(both purchased separately). If using wired ethernet with POE, a POE47TS POE splitter is also required(purchased separately).

Some info I have found related to some of the questions I raised in my first post: It does appear that you can use the ElkConnect app to access an E27 locally without having a subscription. Here is the response by an Elk employee, on a forum run by Elk, to someone posting and complaining about a subscription being required. Note that I think there are a number of typos here, but the meaning appears to be that you don't have to have a subscription: "The requirement for an ElkConnect account is solely for the remote connectivity from the home since there is a monthly access fee required. This is only set up to invoice to professionals." "Although the system is targeted for a local only operation, it can be archived. You can access the system locally by clicking the menu in the top left of the app from the login page, then settings, the local discovery. This will allow you to connect to the control over the local network." Both the E27 and M1 controls are designed and marketed to the professional market, but Elk is aware there is a DIY market that uses it. From a posting by an Elk employee on a forum run by Elk: "I will note that when we set out to create the M1 Gold we never intended it for the enthusiast market, but we are aware that there are some people out there like yourself that have installed in their personal homes and enjoyed it. That said, we design and market our products to industry professionals." "The ELK M1 Gold is ELK’s Premium Platform Control for High End Security and Automation . ELK will continue to offer, support and enhance the M1 System for many years to come. When the time comes the research and development that allowed ELK to create the Alarm Engine Platform and E27 Control will help us to create the next generation of M1 Gold Control." I am leaning toward a M1 system for my new install, because there just may not be enough info out there about the all the implications of E27 before I need to pull the trigger, and it seems likely the M1 systems will be both supported and enhanced over the coming years. ( I will also buy a 7TS once they are actually available. It is not clear if I can do an install for an M1 system with just a 7TS and M1XEP, or if a M1KP* keypad is required for an install. )

I'm moving and going to be doing a new install soon. There is a new controller, E27, that is part of the new "Alarm Engine" line of Elk controllers. Here is some feature description from Elk for the E27 : "An on-board Ethernet port and optional Wi-Fi adapter provide secure connectivity with multi-layered authentication and encrypted communications. E27 offers powerful automation with simplified scheduling and a robust rules engine for unrestricted customization. Easy integration with Z-Wave devices provides convenient automation and real-time control of lights, thermostats, locks, and garage doors." The E27 uses a new "app and cloud portal" called ElkConnect, and the FAQ states that (at least the cloud part of) it requires a monthly fee. The FAQ also states that no subscription is required to create rules, BUT: "Are subscriptions or account required for creating Rules?" "No. Dealer/Installers can create rules for any E27 system that is online." I am going to continue to use Eisy/Polisy for my Zwave network, so I don't care about the new Zwave features in the E27. I strongly prefer to NOT pay subscription or monitoring fees, I strongly prefer to NOT have anything in the cloud, and I strongly prefer being able to modify rules/install WITHOUT involving a dealer/installer. So my questions are: For a DIY/no cloud/no fees person like myself, do I stay clear of the new Alarm System controllers (and stay with M1)? Or is it possible to use the Alarm System family without paying any subscription fees? I am also wondering if ElkRP will still work with the E27, and if not, is it being replaced by ElkConnect? If so, can I use ElkConnect to fully configure rules/install without paying any fees?

I see that Elk has a new 7" Touchscreen (7TS) that is advertised to become available very soon. It is advertised to support both M1 and the new Elk Alarm Engine line of controls, is advertised to connect via WiFi, and is advertised to also have a optional PoE adapter. So it sounds like the 7TS comes with a WiFi adapter. The 7TS advertises that for M1 systems, the "touchscreen application introduces users to a fresh and modern interface for M1 systems". I'm getting ready to do a new install in my next house. This touchscreen sounds interesting, potentially a more user friendly (spouse-friendly?) interface than the existing keypads? Perhaps no changes would be needed to the existing Elk node server to support the 7TS for the existing M1 keyboard features? Maybe the 7TS might bring a new feature or function that would be a candidate to add to the node server?

I have installed 3.10.12 , and can confirm the previously missing keypad is now present....Different feature: I plan on testing the function button press detection, and if I come across any issues, I'll open a new thread....Thanks!

Jim, The missing keypad does have a thermostat (It is an Elk M1-KP)

Should I open a ticket? (perhaps an issue with AC and not with Elk nodeserver?)

I have an elk system with a total of 16 devices shown under the Elk Area 1 nodeserver in the AC. One of those 16 devices, which is named "UP keypad 1" is not showing up in a AC program as a choice when I select Condition / Control . I have two keypads, and the other keypad, which is named "DN keypad 2" is available as a choice. "UP keypad 1" is listed as a node in the PG3x elk node server details, and it is present in the AC under the Elk Area 1 nodeserver, but it is not a choice for an AC program when I select Condition / Control. At first I thought I must just be missing it in the list, but I have scrolled up and down and checked several times, and it is not there.

I just installed 1.1.50, and both polisy are now visible on the home screen. Thanks!

thanks, I will keep an eye out for 11.50 When I select the edit icon on the home screen, I see the help text stating "press the +/- icon to toggle node visibility", but I don't see any +/- icon in edit mode. I see an icon for each polisy box, pressing either one of those results in a Configure option, but pressing that does not provide a +/- icon (unless I am missing something)

Both of my polisy boxes have disappeared from the Home screen. I can still see them, and synchronize, under Settings, but both are missing from the Home screen. If I select the edit icon, both are present, but as soon as I exit edit, they both are gone. UD Mobile android version 1.1.49

So Resideo has announced they are no longer providing developer support for what exactly? If in fact Honeywell Home is no longer an option, I have several Honeywell T6 Pro Zwave and am happy with them. This thermostat supports up to 3H/2C heat pumps, 2H/2C conventional, and dual fuel. Supports use of either a wired indoor, or a wired outdoor temp sensor (but not both). The outside temp sensor that works with it is Honeywell C7089U . It can use its local sensor, or the wired indoor sensor, or the average of the wired indoor sensor and its local sensor, for controlling. The only feature that the T6 Pro Zwave does not have that I miss is that it is not capable of showing the outside temperature on its display (even with a wired outdoor temp sensor connected). It does display inside humidity (and temperature, of course.)

Yes, I am keeping my network going up until I actually close on the sale of the house. I have removed (excluded) the few devices that I am taking with me (and modified programming appropriately). On closing day, I will simply unplug the polisy box and take it with me. I would be happy to sell/leave it if the buyer had interest in learning how to use it, but the chances of that are very small. And of course, even if the person is interested, they would have to be highly motivated, as I most definitely do not have much time I can spend on education (I am moving, looking for another house, etc. etc.)

Good points: I'll factory reset the ZMatter dongle using the AC I'm not bringing any devices that have any parameters that have been modified, but in the general case, it is a good thing to remember to factory reset the zwave devices when moving them to a new install I'm also not moving an insteon plm, if I was the plm would need a factory reset as well.

I am going to be moving my Polisy from an existing home to a new home. I have both insteon and zwave devices installed currently. Most of those existing devices are not going to be migrated from existing home to new home, rather I will be purchasing new devices and installing them in the new home and building the network up in the new home over time. In this scenario, what is the best practice to restore IoX and PG3x to a "new install" state on the polisy box? I assume the answer is: "Do a Factory Reset (Press and hold Multi Function Button until all three LEDs are flashing), then follow Bootup Sequence directions in the Polisy User Guide to start over with the install process." I just wanted to double check to see if there is anything else I might be missing.

The number of issues with updates this year has been high, and 5.7.0 is no exception. Yes, there has been a huge amount of function rollout this year, so issues are expected. What is frustrating is that communication about those issues is not crisp. Case in point, the enable/disable issue was advertised as fixed, but apparently does not seem to be so. I'm a long term user and supporter of UD, but communication could and should be better. I absolutely continue to support UD, but I also support users who voice legitimate concerns.

I've been waiting for empty zmatter USB enclosures to be available in the store once again. I own two zmatter cards (currently installed inside polisy boxes), and will eventually migrate to EISY. When are the enclosures going to be available again?

I've been running an experimental build from UD for 6 days now without any spurious ISY Service restarts. Hopefully the problem has been fixed, and if so, an upcoming release will have that fix.

Unfortunately a new polisy box did not solve the problem with spurious ISY Service restarts at my home location. I am also seeing occasional restarts at my second home. In both cases, when this happens, it is not long after a query all operation. Sometimes a core file is generated. The UD folks are back to looking at one of the core dumps.

My Polisy is continuing to restart the ISY service typically at least once when a program runs a query all at 3AM. This frequently also coincides with a core file dump. UD folks weren't able to pinpoint anything with the first core file I gave them. I have given them a second core file....It's certainly possible some hardware is broken in my polisy I guess.