16 hours ago, jim_ said:

Thanks larryllix,

I've never had to clear Java before for the EISY

I don't know of anything else that uses java anymore except maybe a few vehicle O/Ses.

6 minutes ago, jim_ said:

I just upgraded and I'm stuck ... Window opens then closes IoX launcher when you select OK ...

I do not understand what this means ... where do I get a different Admin Console ?

For non-automation controls ie: manually (human) operated, trigger a program to operate the scene in ISY.

With manual operations a few milliseconds of delay is not perceptible.

polISY
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Updated to v6.0.5 from v6.0.4. Went smoothly. Asked for and needed a reboot to operate properly.

IoX needed no updating and java cache was not cleared.

I had an ISY and a polISY running together at one point in time.

I set up a bank of variables duplicated in both devices.

I wrote a program detecting if each variable changed and would send it via the Network Resources into the REST protocol to set the equivalent variable in the other device.

Since I run most of my lighting scenes and levels via state variable already, it was a piece of cake to have one device doing logic and sensing, while the other operated my WiFi based lighting systems.

Eventually all got ported to the newer poLISY but the system worked like a charm during the port over. No delays were noted.

5 hours ago, Guy Lavoie said:

Well it would make sense for this largely integrated region to all have the same time. At least Ontario and Quebec. Eastern time is pretty well the the de facto time zone for things happening in North America. Both national capitals, the largest business cities other than those in California, NASA, etc.

BC just dumped DST time changes now too. A different time makes very little difference between two areas for any aspect I can think of.

On 3/9/2026 at 2:06 PM, Guy Lavoie said:

Some other places like Saskatchewan have been on constant standard time since the 1960's. Adjustments are already being made for zones that are exceptions. It's just a question of making sure any rule changes are kept up to date. But I think that the trend (especially towards constant daylight saving time) will only pick up over the next few years.

Doug Ford has had a bill passed for Ontario to dump DST and it was approved several years ago. However, apparently there is some eastern seaboard group that has to approve it along with NY, PQ, and Ontario to stay synchronised, they are waiting for.

Micro-globalisation? 😄

If only ISY could do conditional logic!

😆

You likely need to disable the battery operated device interrogations also. I found ISY would hang up for hours and hours if you had it enabled and had a lot of battery devices it could not "scrape". It retries for a long time on each device.

20 hours ago, Geddy said:

@larryllix I'm not sure what links you've been following in the past, but I'm fairly certain the wiki links haven't changed in ages (mostly because the old pages the links to start.jnlp haven't been updated in years - in fact I just looked it up - wiki link hasn't changed since 2018.).

But more than that UD has always hade the "My ISY" link on the top of their home page that links to start.jnlp. I don't think that's changed in at least 5 years and probably even more than that. At least since they changed to the IoX Launcher method (using start.jnlp rather than admin.jnlp).

Fairly certain this has been the link for YEARS https://isy.universal-devices.com/start.jnlp

But what's funny is the link @dbwarner5 suggested (http://192.168.68.76:8080/admin.jnlp) has been around since the ISY994 days. It's been the method since browser quit supporting the java web method.

And I'll echo what @apostolakisl says...if it wasn't for Java updates and having to clear the Java cache and reloading start.jnlp the java admin console method has been flawless for my use case for as long as I've been an ISY user.

I can count perhaps ONE time that UD had to update the start.jnlp file due to an error that somehow got introduced. But that was when a "not found" issue popped up and they had to change the code in the start.jnlp file. That issue lead to my usual suggestion of downloading a fresh start.jnlp each time it was needed. Just in case it happened again, but there haven't been reports of really needing to do that recently.

I guess that is why this is about the 20th thread asking why the links don't work anymore.

I have saved links from these threads about 5 times now and every one has quit working, even the wiki links.

I don't bother attempting to save them anymore.

14 hours ago, Guy Lavoie said:

I save the IoX finder list to a file. Then if something happens (like a java update) I just reload the file and I'm back in business.

Same here but you need to have the IoX finder first. Links to that constantly have changed and have never worked a year later after an update.

12 minutes ago, apostolakisl said:

Iox finder would be perfect if it weren't for Java updates. You would load it once and be done. Any isy that it finds or you direct it to find (port 8080 or an isy on a vpn or vlan) would populate and be there indefinitely regardless of isy firmware current or future. But for some stupid reason java makes you redo it with every update.

I just bookmarked the page for the start.jnlp link so I can quickly redo it after each update of java. I have not tried where iox finder lets you save/load your configuration. Probably that would let me not manually add back my off-site isy and port 8080 preference.

I had it bookmarked also but that quit working about 6 months ago again.
That is what I am doing here again, annually...LOL

On 2/25/2026 at 2:11 PM, apostolakisl said:

Must not have been using finder. The start.jnlp link must be used, not admin.jnlp. The finder can access multiple isy's on different firmware at the same time. For a while I had a 994i and Polisy at the same time with way different firmware. Clearing the cache is still an issue after updating java, not after updating isy. For local credentials you must manually add. Http://xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx:8080. If you let it automatically find your isy it will go through portal credentials. It really would be fine if it weren't for java updates. Seems like every windows update triggers a java update.

This will all come up again in a years time and I will ask again. One method has never worked more than twice yet for years now. I have given up trying to document a method that will be useless next year.. LOL

7 hours ago, apostolakisl said:

Clear your java cache. https://www.java.com/en/download/help/plugin_cache.html.

If you just type java in the windows search box you'll see the java admin as an option. Delete all temporary files and applets.

Then download the following.

https://isy.universal-devices.com/start.jnlp

It will put the iox launcher icon on your desktop and it will always get the right version. Even multiple versions if you have multiple isy's.

The java cache must be one of the problems here. Where else would it get v6.0.0 to report?

However, the credentials input box states, to use my portal credentials and my local credentials haven't worked for a month or two now shortly after the new credential login technique started.

As the OP stated in his concern, the technique keeps changing and the method of recovery works for a short while each time and other times not at all. The Iox Finder was tooted to self adapt to various versions and this would not be required anymore. My take is that the technique attempted must not have worked out..

Every time my IoX Finder tops working I post in the forum and get a different technique to recover. That seems to be the only way currently.

Thanks all.

On 2/21/2026 at 10:18 AM, dbwarner5 said:

Just learn to avoid the finder unless you are remote.

Do this instead, after every update.

-enter this in your browser: http://<your Eisy IP>:8080/admin.jnlp

-a file titled admin.jnlp will download.

-move it to your desktop or other easily access location

-click on it. this will take you DIRECTLY to your Eisy w/o using the finder

-enter your local username / password.

This direct link will work until the next time you update and then just do it again. Easy, simple and quick.

Thanks. That got me this but when run anyway, got me the windows 11 taskbar compatible launch link.

Where the v6.0.0 came from, is beyond me..

However, now my ISY Portal credentials do not function to get me IoX access. The old admin/password doesn't work with this either and locks me out.

Geeesh....this keeps getting worse.

I guess I am sticking to the java launch icon (start.jnlp) . So tired of fighting with this every update. Every saved link, so far, has disappeared or stopped functioning. The latest install link technique never works the next update.

10 hours ago, Guy Lavoie said:

To update the admin console, in IoX finder, choose "Admin Console (cloud)", this will update your admin console version.

That never appears in my IoX Finder. Any links I had to update or load the latest IoX are defunct now, again. This happens every upgrade so I feel his pain.

I have not been able to find or install the proper IoX avatar/link since the last upgrade now. The older one I am using will not install on the windows 11 task bar on the Desk top screen.

On 1/31/2026 at 8:28 PM, Guy Lavoie said:

If...and...or...then...else

Aren't those English words? 😆

Yes they are English words and it conceals true meanings from most AI forms.

I don't need to be referred to a phone number with a message telling me to go to www.BSunlimited.circle to get help from their AI where I was instructed to phone the first place.

☹️ 😀

35 minutes ago, Techman said:

You can also use the following, just add the 2nd line and then save it.

Thanks. Worked for polisy also with"

https://polisy.local:8443/desc

8 hours ago, dbwarner5 said:

and then there is this element:

Careful of the names you addresss them by, and stereotypes you assume. If those AIkins become offended, we have no idea what they are capable of yet.

On 1/30/2026 at 2:12 PM, hart2hart said:

I’m excited at ability to write programs in English and I was a long time programmer.

If
. . . .you are able to program
Then
. . . .it can be a lot of fun
. . . . While
. . . . . . . .you are still young enough AND NOT stressed out

I just remembered something from the old days. When we were limited to X megabytes per day/month etc.. our ISP would send out the router reset signal and a router would take about 1-2 minutes to reset and reconnect to everything again. They controlled the bandwidth by that method.

That is when I found out that all router companies support that low level signal and I couldn't buy a new router out of that nasty habit. The ISP was taken into a hearing and promised to discontinue that practice after the policing body in Canada threatened them.

Again, it only works with a fully functioning router.

10 hours ago, jkmcfadden said:

Manual control is very high on my list. I am just not comfortable with a device deciding when to reboot, I want to make that decision.

Something my husband figured out is that our ISP's (Spectrum in one house, Xfinity in the other) both allow you to request a remote router reset via our account login. I have my Hotspot solution in place for one of my homes, but if/when it goes off-line again, we will try the ISP reset before telling my wi-fi plug to cycle.

That sounds awesome however if your router is crashed it may not pay attention to remote signals at all.

With my three ASUS router mesh I found a reboot would not clear some of the hangs and only a power cyclic would fix some of the weird things. Sometimes one of them would decide certain devices were not allowed to access the Internet outside world. Nothing would ever show a problem, DHCP table issued an IP address, they could talk to other LAN things but the flag inside that enabled/disabled WAN access must have gotten forgotten somehow.
In the end I decided that ASUS did not allow enough EROM memory for all the details it need to keep and just overran the memory without warning. I think I spent half a lifetime on those routers. Nice features but a second one, and a third one did not help. Only made the problems more complicated. ☹️

On 1/24/2026 at 10:06 AM, Techman said:

The max size for the SD Card for the ISY is 32mb

Strange. With FAT = FAT16 there was only 2^16 sectors (65536) at 256bytes each = 16MB

Was there different releases of the ISY hardware that could address larger sectors? Storage technology did change very fast back then. Did ISY hardware become FAT12 or FAT32?

IIRC there was also some 2MB restriction (ISY was supplied with 2MB SD cards) there also and if you didn't partition the SD card at 2MB it could eventually overflow the 2MB limit and crash the system without any warning.

The only thing I remember about those pieces of junk is the unit I received had the IR sender was wired in reverse polarity and I could never get it to work properly. I could not get passed the memorize the IR codes I tried to program it with, and then ISY would not recognize it properly.

When I tried to send it back under Insteon's warranty, they replied, sure..not problem but the $50 CAD cost to return it for warranty services was almost the cost of a new unit. Poor warranty for a newly purchased device. Buh-bye old Insteon failure. (Glad to see new blood there)

Garbage.
As IR was dying very quickly I attempted to find other ways and other equipment that didn't use IR, or also supported WiFi control.

35 minutes ago, GPritchard said:

And with Shipping, plus taxes - the Aartech pricing pushes us close to C$1k ☹️ Too much

I have thought about the eISY many times but everytime I add up the aartech.ca price and include the matter dongle (still using my old PLM) and add taxes, and shipping, it gets to be $1000 and way too big of a jumps since my $99 ISY introduction.