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Agreed but on repeated research I only see wall switches, plug-in modules and MS units from $10 more to double the Insteon prices. Not completely true. I did find one plug-in that was slightly cheaper than Insteon. Without any repeaters required for Insteon that tips the scales somewhat also. ISY with it's choice is a real good place to be right now, for sure. Who knows what will happen to Insteon. Would be real nice if they licensed it to another manufacturer. It's all made by Intertek in China, anyway, and probably would be from another manufacturer too. Hopefully a different flavour and quality spec though. However, I do see much more selection, which is nice.

How is the Insteon sales chain any different than X10 was or other protocols are? Is there actually different manufacturers making the devices or just different suppliers selling it? Insteon devices have their problems but read some other protocol forums and see. The grass on the other side of the fence always looks greener, especially when you look from a distance and an acute angle.

I have successfully avoided extra parts for the Insteon system so far so I would have never came across that. I have been hearing about this "four tap" test for months now and after researching doc unsuccessfully was going to ask about it one day. This was the day thinking it may help the poor noobie too. "Everybody knew about except me!" There seems t be a lot of that with Insteon....assuming you have all the parts and pieces so we don't have to explain that part 'cause we mentioned it in 1986. Software writers are not tech manual writers and if it is going to be manual we will find a way to automate it anyway.

Maybe you didn't want to hear the earnest message, "Get out of this crazy HA before it's too late!"

I have the full LampLinc manual. 33 pages. I did find this description: "RF Beacon Places the device in a mode that broadcasts a signal over INSTEON RF. Any devices beeping or displaying a blinking LED are within range of the module’s RF signal." http://www.insteon.com/pdf/2457D2.pdf You are correct about the "four tap test" terminology usage, although it is descriptive. the only way I knew to do it was from posts here. As I posted I have never run into this in a manual before. Mind you the "RF Beacon" was not too descriptive. The word "test" was never used either. Thank Gawd for the UDI forum and helpful people, like you. I don't have that many years left to spend them all trying to get to second base.

Very strange. None of the manuals I have describe this test despite being dual band devices. However, My LampLinc 2457D2 R1.9 unit, beside me, is marked dual-band but the 2457D2 manual mentions nothing about what the "RF Beacon" test means except that "RF Beacon" is found as a mode in on the fancy flow / testing chart as a state. The four tap test would not function that way for these 2457D2 devices, according to the docs. This is the same unit, I discussed before, does not support the third vertical leg of the chart... the factory reset modes. I seem to have some form of half-way hybrid unit that only supports the first two legs of the flow chart. However, the unit does perform the "RF Beacon" test with the old four tap initiation method and the old factory reset mode. Boy! Leave it to Insteon to make a huge mess of their documentation! No wonder there is confusion!

Thanks! There is no mention of this in the SwitchLinc Dimmer, ApplianceLinc, LampLinc, SynchroLinc, OnOff Module, or IOLinc manuals that I have downloaded in the last few months. There is mention of the phases in the IOLinc module Table of Contents but the reference is incomplete due to the content missing on the pages.

Where does one find this 4 tap method I keep hearing about here? I have never come across this in any manual and I have read all the ones for my devices. Thanks.

No! Not crazy at all. I have my doorbell send me a text message and an email if nobody is home. My dryer rings my doorbell when it is finished. Nothing is crazy with the ISY.

Just plug a dual-band module into the other phase of your electric service that your PLM isn't plugged into. Hopefully both of these devices can be located close to your electrical panel for radial spread to all circuits. AP and Extenders do the same thing as any dual-band Insteon device. They may do it with a stronger signal but I, personally, have never needed one. I leave a spare On/Off module plugged into a circuit running off the phase opposite to where my PLM is plugged into. Check your electrical panel. One leg or phase will have all even numbered breakers and the other leg or phase will have all odd numbered breakers. Read the link you provided. It describes the two phases problem quite well with illustrations In my case my other phase may be generated by an inverter and may not be connected to my main panel at all. The RF transmission of the PLM talks to it (On/Off module) and the On/Off plug-in module converts the RF signals to powerline signals and spreads the good word on that phase. The AP was created when Insteon did not have dual band capabilities as older modules and battery devices don't.

OK maybe that is why I have gotten this response before at other times. You drinkin' rum up there too? "Earth to TeleTeken....Earth to TeleTeken..."

I will repost this here then This takes up to four programs but could be combined into three possibly or jus two if the direction of travel is known. I present it as educational tool. If MS1 is switched 'On' Then Enable 'Program1' Wait 1 Minute Disable 'Program1' Else -- If MS2 is switched 'On' Then Enable 'Program2' Wait 1 Minute Disable 'Program2' Else --- Program1 (disabled) ------------- If MS2 is switched 'On' Then do stuff - motion went from MS1-MS2 Else --- Program2 (disabled) ------------- If MS1 is switched 'On' Then do stuff - motion went from MS2-MS1 Else ---

hmmmm... no such luck. "Not accepting PMs"

Your PM's turned off or full?

We just had this conversation here. http://forum.universal-devices.com/topic/14560-complex-trigger/

Have a look at these and drool. Good for -55°C to +125°C http://www.maximintegrated.com/en/products/analog/sensors-and-sensor-interface/DS18B20.html http://www.ebay.com/itm/10pcs-DS18b20-Waterproof-Temperature-Sensors-Temperature-Transducer-NIGH-/141353658186?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item20e955a74a

OK, Frosty! You have a bank account that is overdrawn by $20. Your balance is: -20 dollars Now you decide to add some money to your bank account and deposit another 10 dollars. Now your balance is: -10 dollars hmmmm... do I need to express this in ounces of rum? We have an expression for those temperatures dealing with metal and a particular animal! "clink, clink" Where are you?

You should to start a new thread with something about "support" in the title. Many here report using this beep successfully. The quest is hidden here and probably a hijack of the thread. The forum also requires an account that some may not prefer.

I could see the LED flash (pardon the pun), for the few devices that aren't behind furniture, but the beepers (for me) are a waste of time. None of my 25 or so can be heard more than about 3 feet away even with all audio devices off and our home is extremely quiet to outside noise. Perhaps the KPL units make louder sounds. It would seem the units have blinking built in to accommodate the setting table being implemented in some versions, so the control of it would be an easy addition. Just have the beep length function converted to a beep count instead. The protocol with the passed parameter should already be in place.

I have a similar situation. The Insteon traffic is just swamped with activity and you cannot depend on anything getting through. When I arrive home I press a sequence to turn off a beeping X10 module. Sometimes it continues to beep for another 60 seconds after. You may need to spread those beeps out even more to get reliable responses. The beep variable is a dummy and has no bearing on time length. The syntax of the Repeat is incorrect. "REPEAT 1" means do not repeat at all. Should have been "REPEAT END"

I have no KPL units so maybe they are louder than all the plug modules and SwitchLincs that I have. I seem to have better responses if I insert and entrance WAIT 1-2 seconds on items that are just counting or tracking things. This seems to give the time critical response programs a better response time. This becomes especially important with X10 command transmissions that can collide with Insteon stuff. Try 2 seconds between each beep also. I also find that Rest commands cannot get through for over 20 seconds each night when the Query ISY runs @ 3:00 AM.

Those beeps without any break tie my ISY up for about 4-5seconds each where nothing else get handled. I see long "system busy" pop-ups on my screen repeatedly. When I tried using them I had to insert WAITs between them to allow other processing. I finally stopped using them as not one of the 25 units I have, that beep, can be heard more than a few feet away in a quiet room.

I have to agree but I don't believe he needs two of the three lines leaving only If Control 'Kit Sink Light / Hot Water Kit' is switched On With just this line the timer would be retriggered each time you pushed the 'Hot Water Kit' button. I am not sure why you would want to test if the pump is already on. Possibly so the timer cannot retrigger and be extended?

With that logic Intertek would be dead in the water shortly also. I doubt that will happen as most of the appliances in your house are made by the same company under dozens of other names. Second sourcing sounds like a big deal to some but Windows is still alive and kicking. From reading other forums Z-wave has too many problems. Things do change and evolve though.

I was thinking the same thing and that would mean a wired in fan controller should do the job...maybe. Ceiling fans usually just stick different caps in series with the fan motor to reduce voltage without chopping waveforms or causing heat in the components (pf=0) . This would mean hacking into internal wiring of the humidifier though.