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I have several red series Inovelli as well and they mostly work fine. This being said, the pro of Inovelli is that they have innovative devices, the con is that they have different protocols for including/excluding and performance is not always 100 %. As an example, I use an Inovelli switch in a 3-way and every so often the switch stops working, and then I need to to power cycle (fuse off/on) the switch to get it to work again. I have an Inovelli motion sensor that hardly works and I have no idea how to resolve. A huge pro of Inovelli is the switch that does not need Neutral. I have a switch box where it is practically impossible to get a Neutral wire and the Inovelli switch was the solution. Now coming back to ISY V5. If you have issues with making V5 work, then contact UDI Support. Their support is superb and they don't rest until your issue is resolved. With V5, then go for Polisy and your Home Automation will never be the same.

Sorry, (as you assumed) it was directed at @seattlestexan

You really should consider moving to 5.X . It is the most compatible version with all new Zwave devices, regardless of whether this resolves your issue or not. Jump and also get to Polyglot (Polisy) and you will enter a whole new world of HA.

There is some comparison with what happened between (Apple's) Mac and (MS') Windows. MS opened Windows to other manufacturers and MAC did not. Many considered, at least at the time, that MAC was better than Windows, but the latter became the bigger success. @lilyoyo1 (and others) consider that Insteon is the better system, but Zwave is growing more.

Though I am a few years younger than you, I share your concerns on there to be nobody in my family to maintain (or even wanting to understand) my home automation. The only thing I could think of was to post UDI's phone and email in our kitchen That would be my last posthumous contact with UDI...... hopefully many years away.

I recommend the ISY Inventory nodeserver which shows you the number of your nodes.

Good point

No sharing here ?

Maybe after tonight's Powerball ?

I think that is the point and yes, if I were to start a new home then I would also consider C4, though I enjoy "playing" with it myself and C4 is for professional installation and maintenance.

I doubt that any of us can predict the future. 40 years ago we believed (The Jetsons) that by 2000 we would all use flying cars. What I have noticed over the years in this forum is that in most cases Insteon users are happy with Insteon and Zwave users are happy with Zwave, and even those uses a mix are happy as well. ISY is a big factor in this. I would personally put a question mark on Insteon's future and Zwave will remain fragmented if the Zwave Alliance does not impose a greater functional similarity on manufacturers. My "Jetson" bet is that both Insteon or Zwave will be Yahoos in 5 to 10 years. You should have a look at Inovelli. As I said, their performance is not always 100 % but some of their devices are useful and generally Inovelli is cheaper. I have a special situation in my home where the switch box is in a concrete wall with no space for a smart switch. Inovelli's switches allow me to keep the old non-smart switch and connect it in the existing 3-way setup. I also have one switch box where it is impossible to run a Neutral wire (unless I break open the wall) and a new Inovelli switch lets me connect the light to ISY without the Neutral.

Can someone skip ahead 5 years and let us know what has become of Insteon and Zwave ? Something made them both obsolete ?

The internet exists up north ? Seriously, Inovelli is creative and I find some of their devices useful, but their performance is not always 100 %.

Your " IMHO " ?

I understand your search for perfection ! 2 seconds means not much to me ?

Zwave is not perfect. @lilyoyo1 and I amicably disagree on the pros & cons of having one manufacturer (Insteon) vs many manufacturers (Zwave), but he is right that some Zwave brands are better than others. I have some 80 Zwave devices, including many switches and I have learned that GE/Jasco and Homeseer are the better ones. Sometimes I use Inovelli because they are innovative. However, Inovelli is a good example of the negative of Zwave.... To include or exclude a device, with most brands 1 click is enough, but Inovelli requires 6 quick clicks and that can go wrong easily. This being said, newer Zwave devices now have auto-include. I think that the maximum number of devices that I have in a group program is about 10, and sometimes these take more than 2 seconds, but my strong suspicion is that this is because about 4 of these devices are still old pre Zwave Plus. Eventually I will replace these. Years ago I started with X10 and then added Insteon. When the PLM blew, I made the choice of going entirely to Zwave and do not regret this choice. But would I start from zero today, then I would research alternatives as discussed by others here. With Polisy and nodeservers, we now have many options. Just to play around I have added some Lifx and Kasa devices and they all work fine with ISY and Polisy.

I understand that other systems (ex: Insteon) are faster because they are grouped directly, but, being Zwave all the way, I have programs that group lights to go ON or OFF at same time. There may be a one second delay (maybe 2 seconds sometimes), but it is no issue for me.

As often happens, I learned something from @lilyoyo1 This being said, I put my "unknown" nodes in a separate folder for just in case.

BTW, as a big user of Zwave (close to 90 in my home) I find the GE/Jasco and Homeseer devices as most reliable. Some Inovelli devices have innovative functions that can be useful in some specific settings, but overal GE/Jasco and Homeseer are the better Zwave devices.

Right click on the device and then click on "Zwave". Then you will see "Update Neighbor" at the top.

I noticed online that this is a Zwave Plus switch so it should be reporting the status to your ISY. I have no idea why it does not, especially as the switch responds to ISY commands. If this would happen in my setup, then I would first try "update neighbors" and if that does not work, then I would exclude the switch and then include again. Let us know how the various options work for you.

I had no serious issues with my updates (and I am exclusively Zwave) , but basically I went step-by-step upgrading every time there was an update and not going straight from 4.X to 5.3. Some times with small steps you go faster than with big ones ?

I usually never use Mobilinc on my Apple Watch but I just checked and it seems to work fine.

I use Mobilinc Pro and my Iphone is also at 14.3 and I have no issues (so far). This being said, I now mostly use Home Assistant and if Mobilinc would stop working I would get over it.

You should be able to achieve this with a program. Let's assume you want the on-level to be 30 % : IF ZW XXX is switched ON (manually switched ON) THEN Set ZW XXX to 30 %