MrBill

You can upgrade to version 5.0.16C and no farther without upgrading the z-wave board. Given that ISY is moving to Polisy hardware in the not too distant future, that's where I would go, rather than upgrading the 300 Series board at this point. No Cost for that upgrade. Be sure to read the outdated instructions for upgrading--to be honest I was just re-reading the 5.0.16C instructions as I'm typing this and it says if you want stability stick with the 4.x branch... well that's proven wrong now 5.0.16C is very stable-- that's the portion that's outdated, the steps to follow are fine. I was reviewing because there are special instructions to follow if you have z-wave. Once you're at 5.0.16C you can use UDI's new mobile apps, no charge, but be aware they are still under development and not quite as refined as mobilinc (which will still work for you). If you have ISY portal you can immediately use the cloud nodeservers at no additional charge. You can also buy a Polisy (hardware) to use any of the local nodeservers (at no additional charge--at least for now). Think of the Polisy as your next ISY, because as I mentioned above in addition to its current capabilities of running nodeservers the ISY itself will soon be operating out of that piece of hardware. Now in my first post I mentioned Polyglot 2 vs Polyglot 3 and the fact that developers would be able to charge, unfortunately this is something you're concerned with, but so far that's uncharted territory for all of us, and no one can tell you how it will play out. You also don't have to upgrade from PG2 to PG3, (at least anytime soon) and the PG2 nodeservers will continue to work. Another path forward is to use your ISY in conjunction with Home Assistant. Again that does have a small initial investment for hardware however the Universal-devices integration works amazingly well. Home Assistant is open source software with no charge and currently 1853 built in integrations and an untold additional number also available informally. I run HA on a Raspberry Pi 4, but there are a variety of hardware options. So to some degree you're correct, it all costs money it just depends what your personal goals are. I try to automate as much as possible, and while I don't always keep costs contained I try hard to keep costs down wherever possible. I'm sure this post creates more new questions than it answers, but it's a good starting point.

You should have continued to reply in that thread. Jimbo is the developer of the nodeserver... you had his attention, probably still do. In general he's very responsive and provides very good support for his nodeservers, he will look at your logs if you PM him the nodeserver log.

So far you don't spend $100 for each mod (nodeserver)... what are you referring to? My ISY controls many types of nodes. Under Polyglot 2 no fees are accessed for using nodeservers. Coming soon, Polyglot 3 will have a method for developers to charge a fee for a nodeserver, but none of us know what that will look like yet. I understand the developer can structure that different ways from flat fee to subscription, but we really don't have any idea what they will actually charge, I doubt it will be $100 for each tho-- it wouldn't sell. If you were a new user with no other posts I'd report this post as someone trolling, but apparently you joined the forum on February 26, 2016 and have made 72 other posts prior to this, so please let us know what you are referring to.

This thread was born because OP is working on plan B

I guess you haven't been reading along in the polisy sections... It supports Insteon with either the serial or USB PLM, it doesn't yet support z-wave. Also there's currently no migration path yet. If you wanted to move a large system to ISY on Polisy today you'd have to start from scratch adding devices and programs. Perhaps it will be a 3rd party nodeserver, but I think the concept is to support bluetooth beacons.. i.e. knowing where you (or others are) in your house because you carry your phone with you. Same way retail stores track you now, you just don't know it's happening. I don't think the concept is traditional bluetooth apps that consumers are familiar with for connecting devices.

I bought a 5-pack of the 2342-222 back when I was eliminating dependency on Mobilinc. Out of the box it's an 8 scene controller. One button per scene. Because these controllers are battery powered and don't receive scene changes made elsewhere they don't operate in 8-button mode very intuitively. For Example: we use the remote to turn on Scene A (that sets up the remotes next A button push to be Scene A off), now time passes and we go to bed.. the goodnight routine turns off Scene A. So now tomorrow we pick up the remote.... the first press of Button A send Scene A Off then we have to press it again to get a Scene A on. Dimming is also confusing in 8-scene mode. As @kzboray mentions there is also a 4 scene mode... this is better. I didn't know that the device could be reconfigured via the ISY tho, I removed it from the ISY, used the manual button presses in the insteon manual and then re-added it as a 4button device. The 4 scene mode is actually more intuitive to use. the left side is off, the right side is on, likewise holding off dims and holding ON brightens. In all cases where we wanted to use these 4 scenes was plenty. The only thing I wish was different about this mode is I wish the columns were reversed, that is left is on, right is off. (and although that could be done programmatically via the ISY the LED at the top of the remote would still be red for the left buttons and green for the right buttons, so i wouldn't reverse it that way.) Battery life is apparently amazing, I just looked I purchased the 5 pack in May 2020 and charged all 5 fully when received. As yet I have not recharged any of them! 2 of the 5 are used pretty much daily with a few button presses each, the other 3 only get intermittent use.

We do stream more music today, but there's still an entire music library on hard drive that we could revisit without internet. We can also watch OTA broadcasting if video streaming isn't available. There is always a plan B.

and by doing do you introduce a cloud dependency. Personally, I try to keep as much as possible local and out of the cloud. My home automation system should generally work regardless of the state of my internet connection and random cloud servers.

Yes. UDI's support is golden too. If you own a UDI product by all means open a ticket if you need to communicate with support.

My ISY-994 is still the ISY running the house. I have ISY on Polisy set up and have done some testing. I won't be converting until there is a clearer path forward. My system is too large with 100+ Insteon devices and around 500 programs, I won't be just starting from scratch-- it can stay on the 994 for a long long time if needed. UDI has not yet announced the device that will be used for a z-wave controller for ISY on Polisy. Keep in mind that ISY on Polisy is in early ALPHA testing stage at this time (it's not even considered BETA at this time). It's reported to be stable, but as you've wondered there are many things not quite ready for prime-time... Z-wave, migrating Insteon systems, restoring backups, etc.

That's an interesting question. I have mine, but I've been wondering what's going to happen as people start to need them for conversion. I don't know if any of these cables on Amazon would work or not. Or maybe one of these, or since this one is configurable, it should certainly be able to be made to work. Maybe @Brian H or @Michel Kohanim could provide more info on the best route to follow with a missing cable.

If you mean will the 2413s serial PLM work with Polisy, yes it will, but not with the cable that you are currently using to connect it to Port A of the ISY994. The cable being used between the 2413s and Port A on the ISY-994 only looks like an Ethernet cable, the connection carried over the wire is serial. To use a 2413s with Polisy, you'll need the cable that came in the box with the 2413s originally-- it plugs into the DB-9 port on the back of Polisy.

I'll echo that. right now the wifi and bluetooth capabilities aren't really being used by UDI software installed on the box. I also have the pro box but it doesn't do anything extra in terms of UDI's implementations at this point...someday it should, but not yet.

The lesson is that it may not always work... Always have a plan B. I haven't heard what the root cause with some portal accounts was yesterday (It did NOT affect all accounts... mine never went offline). I was communicating with Michel yesterday morning on an unrelated ticket and added to the end of a reply do you know Portal is down for a lot of people with a link to this thread. In the next reply he told me it wasn't down but they were working with several people via tickets that were having issues. Shortly thereafter he replied above. TWO DIRECT LESSONS: Have a plan B to turn your lights on or off. Relying on Alexa only isn't smart. When I started my system originally I had a rule "no outside or internet dependencies", that got relaxed at some point, but not having or knowing what plan B is in case alexa (or other internet or cloud dependency) is temporarily down or offline. It happens. with Alexa there are countless dependencies from your internet connection itself, to up-stream providers, to amazon itself, not to mention the ISY portal itself is running on AWS servers, at any given time something might not be in working order. First line for support is to open a ticket: support@universal-devices.com sure it might be interesting to post in the forum also to see if others are having the problem. The first place it will be seen by multiple UDI people is if you open a ticket. While Michel reads the forum from time to time, it's not his priority. Tickets will get more attention than the forum anytime.

@phatmatt My front porch has Hue fixtures now, they want to be always powered. To bypass the switch, I disconnected the wire connected to the RED wire coming out of the switch, and put a wirenut on the now unused read wire. Then I connected the wire I removed from Red to the same wirenut that has the black. Now the Hue fixtures always have power. The switch still sends Insteon Commands back to the ISY, but since they red (load) lead is not connected it's not actually controlling a load.

https would be required, that was your issue. Personally my method would be to open some random port like 33556 and forward it to local.ip.of.polisy:443 various router interfaces make that look different which is one way that it gets confusing. then from the outside i would https://externalIP:33556 An analogy is think of secret agent 33556 checking into a hotel with just a number 33556 as his name, and they assign him/her to room 443. Now if you want to reach the secret agent you call the hotel's external phone number ask for 33556 and get forwarded to room 443.

If port 443 is open as port 443 and forwarded to polisy then it should simply be https://xx.xx.xx.xx the :443 would be option if https was used. where xx.xx.xx.xx is your external IP. A better way.... <I backspaced what I typed to avoid confusion, but it's better not to open port 443 from the outside, perhaps you did that remotely for a short time.. that's not too much of an issue, but there are bad bots that just randomly look for open ports 443.>

To upgrade the 300 series z-wave board to a 500 Series there are discounts applied based on the age of your ISY. I can't find the base price tho, only the discounts. The 300 series firmware board reports Z-Wave version 4.55.00 from the Z-wave menu of the admin console, it also has a Blue LED close to port A on the back of the ISY (if it's not lit you need to shine a flashlight to understand that its a blue LED, otherwise it looks like a black circle). The ISY can only be upgraded to version 5.0.16C with a 300 series board installed. The 500 series firmware board reports Z-Wave version 6.81.00 from the Z-wave menu of the admin console, and does not have an LED.

here's the link: Be certain to backup first, download and install the firmware, clear your java cache, reinstall the launcher from: https://isy.universal-devices.com/start.jnlp and finally as soon as you are back into the admin console after upgrade check Help > About to verify that your firmware and UI versions both say 5.3.4

Yes. Amps = watts / volts 66w / 24v = 2.75amps

Maybe you deleted it ???

There are two versions of the Glendopto controller. 1ID and 2ID. The difference: 1 ID controllers you can only use RGB or tunable white (not both at the same time). Generally this is probably fine, however if you get the 2ID then the RGB and tunable white appear separately allowing you to turn on both color and white at the same time. if you buy direct from superledlighting in china... then yes compression connectors for cutting strips are available. While amazon carries a superledlighting strip similar to what I ordered (Less LED's per meter) Amazon doesn't seem to carry the 5-channel accessories. SuperLEDlighting does ship fast from China. Both occasions that I ordered from them I placed the order over the weekend, both were delivered Friday, shipped via DHL. I order this IP67 version of https://superlightingled.com/dc24v-rgbcct-5in1-480leds-ultradense-series-5050smd-rgbww-flexible-led-tape-lights-164ft-per-reel-96ledsmeter-led-strips-p-2360.html (If using the aluminum channel and diffuser that @lilyoyo1 linked then order the non-waterproof instead of IP67) Various accessories: https://superlightingled.com/6pin-rgb-cct-led-easy-connector-6-pin-12mm-width-solderless-adapter-for-rgbcct-led-strip-lights-1-clip-p-1851.html https://superlightingled.com/6pin-rgb-cct-led-easy-connector-6-pin-12mm-width-solderless-adapter-for-rgbcct-led-strip-lights-2-clip-p-1852.html (note: you can cut the 2clip in half to make two 1 clip) https://superlightingled.com/rgbcct-6-pins-led-strip-connector-terminal-12mm-board-to-board-for-nonwaterproof-tape-light-splice-between-2-segment-strip-lights-p-3251.html https://superlightingled.com/l-shape-6-pins-connector-12mm-right-angle-corner-solderless-connector-clip-for-rgbwarm-white-cold-white-led-strip-lights-conductor-p-2171.html https://superlightingled.com/12mm-6pin-6-pin-rgbcct-no-soldering-easy-connector-for-rgb-cct-led-strip-6-pin-connector-p-2173.html I used: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01GC6VS8I/ (the plug fits the glendopto without cutting it off and using the terminals.) Yes, shorter length consumes fewer watts. Dimming also consumes few watts. Consider that you'll probably never use all 5 channels on at 100%.

Not to drag this off-topic, but you do know there is a corollary to Murphy's law that defines actual time required for any project: To compute actual time required, estimate the time required, multiply by 2 and change the unit of measure to the next highest unit -- therefor a perceived 2 minute project will take 4 hours, likewise a 2 hour project will expand to fill 4 days ??

Before you go too far... do you know what version of firmware is loaded onto your ISY? Your first hurdle is likely to update the ISY. UDI mobile only works with later 5.x firmware versions. So first thing first try the launcher linked in the post above, but once you get into the admin console the first thing to do is Help > About to determine the ISY's firmware version. I am only guessing by the way your post reads, but I suspect your ISY is still on Version 4.x in which case it's not compatible with the new mobile app until upgraded to a later edition of v5.x. There are more questions along the way tho, for example if your ISY has a z-wave board, it will be a series 300 z-wave board, the latest firmware version that works in that case is 5.01.16c (and z-wave board upgrades are available.) If you have no z-wave or already have 500 series board (unlikely but possible if I'm mis-guessing the age of your ISY) then you can load firware v5.3.4.... but HOLD off on that until you've researched more-- for example if you have ISY programs that use the feature "Adjust Scene" those programs will need manual repair after the upgrade.

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