TheWabit Posted January 4, 2016 Posted January 4, 2016 I know this should be easy. Presuming that an "all off" command being sent should be done programmatically, how should the button be set up? Non toggle on? Then is the "If" condition in the program "control" - "on"? Thanks
larryllix Posted January 4, 2016 Posted January 4, 2016 (edited) I know this should be easy. Presuming that an "all off" command being sent should be done programmatically, how should the button be set up? Non toggle on? Then is the "If" condition in the program "control" - "on"? Thanks Where are you trying to send an All Off command from? This is a usually avoided command that most of us never use. If you have the six button KPL then the two larger buttons at the top and bottom control the attached load. The rest only send Insteon signals. There is no All Off/On on a KPL. Edited January 4, 2016 by larryllix
TheWabit Posted January 4, 2016 Author Posted January 4, 2016 It was going to be from a KPL at the door headed to the garage. What is the thinking behind avoiding it?
larryllix Posted January 4, 2016 Posted January 4, 2016 (edited) It was going to be from a KPL at the door headed to the garage. What is the thinking behind avoiding it? It would seem you are thinking of X10 signals where All Lights On would only affect units on that housecode. In Insteon this would turn everything On/Off, including furnace fans, heaters and bathroom exhaust fans etc,,, The toggle mode is only preference but I set mine up to non-toggle. Each button sends a distinct On command only. In toggle mode each button alternately sends out an On and then an Off command. So a receiving program might look something like this. If control KPL.botton.A is switched 'On' Then set Light A off set scene GroupOfLights off Else -- making sense? Edited January 4, 2016 by larryllix
TheWabit Posted January 4, 2016 Author Posted January 4, 2016 Yep - makes sense. I probably should have been clearer. I have a scene with mostly lights and select other items in it. I already have a program to set the "all off" scene "off" at midnight. I was just looking for the set up to turn that same scene off with one of the KPL buttons. Specifically, my confusion was KPL button swithed "on". I didnt think being in toggle mode would make this work corrrectly (obviously the first push , everything in that scene would come on). But non-toggle On I guess is what I want. Thanks Larry!
larryllix Posted January 4, 2016 Posted January 4, 2016 (edited) Yep - makes sense. I probably should have been clearer. I have a scene with mostly lights and select other items in it. I already have a program to set the "all off" scene "off" at midnight. I was just looking for the set up to turn that same scene off with one of the KPL buttons. Specifically, my confusion was KPL button swithed "on". I didnt think being in toggle mode would make this work corrrectly (obviously the first push , everything in that scene would come on). But non-toggle On I guess is what I want. Thanks Larry! I use an All Off program at 4:00 AM every night but not in a scene. I switch every light off one at a time with a few seconds delay between each just to help any Insteon traffic jams I would cause and be more sure they all work. Also outside observers would see a progression for a more human action look if everything was on for some reason. I also do have an ALL Lights and Front Doorbell scene for intruder repulsion. Edited January 4, 2016 by larryllix
stusviews Posted January 4, 2016 Posted January 4, 2016 I have a Dine Out button that controls 59 devices and/or buttons. Four devices are turned on to a specific On-level and eight additional are KPL buttons that are turned on (controllers of the devices that are turned on). One scene has control of all the devices. The Dine Out button is a controller of the scene and is set to non-toggle on. Setting the button to non-toggle On made it easier to turn some lights on and others off. There are actually two Dine Out scene controllers, one for the side door which leads to the garages and the other for the front door. Each egress button has a different program to control the exterior lighting (driveway or walkway). And both have a command that turns off the button's LED. Dine Out Side doorIf Control 'DR / Devices / DR Side Door Light / DR Side Door B Dine Out' is switched On (Side Door Dine Out button) Then Set 'DR / Devices / DR Ceiling Light 50' 50% Set 'DR / Devices / DR Side Door Light' On Wait 1 minute Set 'DR / Devices / DR Ceiling Light 50' Off Wait 6 minutes Set 'DR / Devices / DR Side Door Light' Off Set Scene 'Dine Out Buttons' Off <--Turns off button LEDs (scene that includes only the two Dine Out buttons as responders) Else - No Actions - (To add one, press 'Action') Dine Out Front DoorIf Control 'LR / Devices / LR Ceiling Light KPL 20 / LR Light KPLD Dine Out' is switched On (Front Door Dine Out button) Then Set Scene 'EX / Scenes / EX Walkway' On Wait 5 minutes Set Scene 'EX / Scenes / EX Walkway' Off Set Scene 'Dine Out Buttons' Off <--Turns off button LEDs (scene that includes only the two Dine Out buttons as responders) Else - No Actions - (To add one, press 'Action')
TheWabit Posted January 5, 2016 Author Posted January 5, 2016 Thanks Stu - Those make sense. Understanding the Toggle functionality a little more and setting it correctly (non-toggle - Off) has done the trick.
jacobs-gc Posted January 5, 2016 Posted January 5, 2016 I have set a button on a 6 button KPL to run the following program. The result is the ability to turn off all devices at bed time and restore the the ones required at night i.e. water heaters, up lights, pool motors, seasonal lighting etc. Works great. Gerry Master BR D ALL OFF - If Control 'Rear BR (up) / Rear UP BR / Rear UP BR - D' is switched On Or Control 'Rear BR (up) / Rear UP BR / Rear UP BR - D' is not switched Off Then Run Program 'ALL-OFF + Restore' (Then Path) Else - No Actions - (To add one, press 'Action') ALL-OFF + Restore - If - No Conditions - (To add one, press 'Schedule' or 'Condition') Then Set Scene 'My Lighting' Off Wait 5 seconds Set Scene 'Rear BR (up) / Rear BR- D ALL-OFF' On Set Scene 'TOU / Electric Water Heaters' On Set 'Bathroom (Up) / Up Front Bath Lamp' 25% Set 'Bathroom (Dn) / Dn Bath Lamp' 25% Set 'Bathroom (Dn) / Dn Bath Sensy' Off $Stop_Blinking_at_night = 1 Set 'Outside / Seasonal Lighting / Right Walk Outlet' On Set 'Den / Den TV Lamps' On Set 'Master Bath / M Bath Rm #2' 25% Wait 1 second Set Scene 'Outside / Front and Den Porch / Porch Dome Lights' On Set Scene 'Outside / Front and Den Porch / Front Porch Dome Light' On Run Program 'Candles ON after lights out' (If) Set 'Master BR / MBR Table Lamp' 30% Set 'Crawl Space / Humidfier in crawl space' On Set Scene 'Outside / Front up lighting / Front up lights' On Wait 5 seconds Run Program 'Reset Pool Error' (Then Path) Wait 5 seconds Run Program 'Pool Start-Stop Summer' (If) Wait 1 minute Run Program 'Pool Heater Relay Var' (If) Set Scene 'Rear BR (up) / Rear BR- D ALL-OFF' Off Else - No Actions - (To add one, press 'Action')
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