KPL: timers and Button LEDs

[waffles]

Here is what I like to do with an 8 key KLP:

 

Pressing Key B triggers a program that sets a responder ON for 10 minutes, then sets it to OFF again. I got that far...

 

Where I need help is to get the Key LED to be on or off, depending on whether the program is still running, i.e. when the key is pressed, its LED should go on. Once the timer is done, the key LED should turn off again.

 

Is there maybe a tutorial you could point me to?

 

Thanks!

[fitzpatri8]

There isn't a direct command for turning a keypad secondary button on or off. Instead, create a new scene, add that button to the scene, then turn the scene on or off.

[waffles]

Ahhh! Thanks fitz!  How ingenious!

 

I created a Scene, added the button as the only device and as a responder.

Afterwards I added that Scene in my program to be turned off after the timer is done.

 

....a bit cumbersome, but it seems to work. Excellent!!

[waffles]

 

 

a follow up...

 

Situation:

 

I have 2 buttons on the KPL to control the same device (Whole House Fan - low).

I want to have their LED only lit, if their state is on.

 

Button C is to toggle the device (fan) between ON and OFF.

 

Button E is to trigger a program to run the fan for a set time.

 

 

I have created 3 programs:

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C wholehousefan-low-OFF - [ID 0032][Parent 002F]

If
        Control '8x kitchen / 8x C WHF low ON-OFF' is switched Off
 
Then
        Set Scene 'Misc / 8x KPL C Status' Off
        Set Scene 'Misc / 8x KPL E Status' Off
        Set 'Whole House Fan - low' Off
 
Else
   - No Actions - (To add one, press 'Action')
 



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C wholehousefan-low-ON - [ID 0030][Parent 002F]

If
        Control '8x kitchen / 8x C WHF low ON-OFF' is switched On
 
Then
        Set Scene 'Misc / 8x KPL E Status' Off
        Set 'Whole House Fan - low' On
 
Else
   - No Actions - (To add one, press 'Action')
 



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E wholehousefan-low-20min - [ID 002D][Parent 002F]

If
        Control '8x kitchen / 8x E WHF low timer' is switched On
 
Then
        Set Scene 'Misc / 8x KPL C Status' Off
        Set 'Whole House Fan - low' On
        Wait  20 minutes 
        Set 'Whole House Fan - low' Off
        Set Scene 'Misc / 8x KPL E Status' Off
 
Else
   - No Actions - (To add one, press 'Action')
 



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The programs turn the fan on and off just fine. What's not yet working is that the LED lights switch correspondingly, when I use the 'other button'.

(The KLP are in toggle mode.)

 

 

What am I missing?

 

 

 

[Michel Kohanim]

Hi waffles,

 

I am not sure I understand why you are using programs to control your fans. You can simply use scenes. For instance:

Fan Low Scene:

1. KPL 1 - Controller

2. KPL 2 - Controller

3. Fan - Low

 

This scene makes sure that KPL buttons follow each other and that the Fan is set to Low when either is on and set to off when either is turned off.

 

With kind regards,

Michel

[waffles]

Hi Michel;

 

The fan is controlled by an EZFlora. This unit seems to be affected by the "cannot be controlled via Scenes' issue. Therefore I am using programs as work arounds.

[Michel Kohanim]

Hi waffles,

 

Ok, thank you. By LED lights you mean the backlight button on the KPLs? If so - in the last program, shouldn't

  Set Scene 'Misc / 8x KPL C Status' Off

Be changed to:

  Set Scene 'Misc / 8x KPL C Status' On

With kind regards,

Michel

[waffles]

 

 

Hello Michel;

 

Thanks for your help. Yes, I was talking about the back lights.

 

I was able to figure it out. I had a typo in one of my Scene definitions.

 

I also 'bullet-proofed' the programs by adding a line to turn the scene (i.e. back light) ON => example:

C wholehousefan-low-ON - [ID 0030][Parent 002F]

If
        Control '8x kitchen / 8x C WHF low ON-OFF' is switched On
 
Then
        Set Scene 'Misc / 8x KPL C Status' On
        Set Scene 'Misc / 8x KPL E Status' Off
        Set 'Whole House Fan - low' On
 
Else
   - No Actions - (To add one, press 'Action')
 

Not sure if it is really needed, but it does not seem to hurt


 
 

[Michel Kohanim]

Hi waffles,

 

Excellent. Thanks so very much for the update.

 

With kind regards,

Michel

[brunolandmedia]

I was hoping to piggy back on this topic. I am searching for an answer and these my be related. Won't be able to test till tonight but here is my issue.

 

I have multiple Insteon Modules (on/off & Dimmer), "virtual 3 ways" fanlinks etc that are controlled by 6 or 8 Keypad keys (A-D or B-H respectively) remotes, timers or programs. Typical set up, but these are things not directly connected like a normal switch.   

 

I have scenes like "Away" that turn off these "responders" but the Keypad doesn't change.

 

So when I go to turn back on the one Module, I push once, the LED goes out, then I have to push it again. Is there a way to change this.

 

Here is my simple example.

 

- I have lights in our nursery that are cafe style bulbs around the ceiling plugged into an Insteon Dimmer Module, plugged directly into a wall receptacle. 

- An 8 Keypad "B" controls this directly and works well. I can dim it, on and off no problem.

- I have a scene "Away" that I can trigger from another keypad or locking my front Schlage door lock also will activate it, but it works the same way.

- If that light was left on, "Away" will turn it off, but the LED will stay lit, and then I have to push it twice, once turns the LED light off and the nusery bulbs stay off. Then another press turns them back on. 

 

Am I to understand that I have to add the Keypad B into "Away" as a responder to turn status off? Then I would repeat this for every scene it's in and repeat it for every other device for each scene it is in?

 

PS. All my toggles are set correctly when connected. 

 

Cheers, Chris

[G W]

Yes. You need to add the KPL button to the scene so it can control and be controlled by the scene.

 

I'm Gary Funk and I approved this message.

[brunolandmedia]

Ok Great, so just that simple...and time consuming with all the scenes. If there is no shortcut then I suppose I'll crack a beer and get to work tonight.

[paulbates]

Ok Great, so just that simple...and time consuming with all the scenes. If there is no shortcut then I suppose I'll crack a beer and get to work tonight.

 

Its really more about planning and doesn't take long. Scenes are a very powerful feature of Insteon that the ISY makes easy to manage. I have a number of lighting and fan/damper controls that are primarily insteon virtual circuits with only minor timeout and monitoring roles for ISY programs. The devices are all over the house, from the living spaces to remote places in the attic. With scenes, I can manage it sitting in front of the admin console.

 

You can also have the same scene turn some keys on and other keys off if that's needed.. combining multiple scene activities into one cuts down on traffic and visually looks better.

 

Paul