landolfi Posted December 15, 2017 Posted December 15, 2017 Thanks for the replies. Does anyone know how to designate primary and secondary controllers on the ISY? I noticed when I got the door sensor to pair successfully with ISY that it disappeared from SmartThings. I don't see any way to set up primary/secondary in SmartThings. (EDIT: Found and now understand the ISY option, never mind this question). When pairing a lock with ISY to get the two close up, is it better to move the ISY with both PLM and network connection, or better to disassemble the lock? I'd rather not disassemble the lock, but as I think about it, that might be easier.
lilyoyo1 Posted December 15, 2017 Posted December 15, 2017 Whichever is easiest. The only thing that matters are the 2 being close. Regardless of device, I always add my devices prior to installation so it's second nature for me when it comes to adding any device.
landolfi Posted December 15, 2017 Posted December 15, 2017 I got the Aeotec range extender today and by moving it around a little was able to register both locks. Thanks again for the help, and FYI for anybody having trouble getting Zwave devices to register with the ISY.
landolfi Posted December 16, 2017 Posted December 16, 2017 Also, I found once I got the locks to register with ISY, the old entries in SmartThings for the lock no longer worked. But they did appear in SmartThings without any programming codes, so I was able to add them back to SmartThings. I just confirmed both SmartThings and ISY can lock and unlock the locks. I hesitate to give up SmartThings because I like the app. Does anyone have experience with an ISY mobile app? I looked at MobilLinc but it looks like it's best on the iPhone version and it's expensive, I don't really need all those features. I like being able to see at a glance whether the doors are closed and locked and the garage door shut, and that's about it. SmartThings does a pretty good job of that, although I'd also like to get notifications for certain events at certain times, which the ST app doesn't allow as delivered.
DrLumen Posted December 18, 2017 Posted December 18, 2017 Hi landolfi, 3. It depends on the firmware. If you have Insteon_UD994, then YES, you need a PLM. Otherwise, no you don't. Network, not necessarily but you need to have access to the Admin Console to see what's going on. So, I guess it's best to have network connectivity while you do Exclude/Include 4. https://www.amazon.com/Aeotec-Range-Extender-Z-Wave-repeater/dp/B01M6CKJXC/ref=sr_1_1_sspa?ie=UTF8&qid=1513179586&sr=8-1-spons&keywords=aeotec+repeater&psc=1&smid=ATKB8ECADIJYO 5. You should not use an antenna unless ISY is boxed in a closet. And, even then, a repeater is better than an antenna With kind regards, Michel Not to hijack the thread but just to clarify... The About in my new i994 ZW IR PRO controller shows I have Insteon_UD994_ v.4.6.2. I need an Insteon PLM even though I will only be using it for ZWave and maybe Zigbee?
stusviews Posted December 19, 2017 Posted December 19, 2017 Not to hijack the thread but just to clarify... The About in my new i994 ZW IR PRO controller shows I have Insteon_UD994_ v.4.6.2. I need an Insteon PLM even though I will only be using it for ZWave and maybe Zigbee? The PLM is an Insteon device and is needed only if you want control of Insteon products. The PLM is the interface between the ISY and both Insteon powerline and Insteon RF signals. Nothing else.
DrLumen Posted December 19, 2017 Posted December 19, 2017 The PLM is an Insteon device and is needed only if you want control of Insteon products. The PLM is the interface between the ISY and both Insteon powerline and Insteon RF signals. Nothing else. Thanks for the info. That was what I was thinking but wanted to confirm. I'm having issues getting it to see any ZWave stuff. I'm hoping I don't have to trash the Samsung Smarthub.
lilyoyo1 Posted December 19, 2017 Posted December 19, 2017 Thanks for the info. That was what I was thinking but wanted to confirm. I'm having issues getting it to see any ZWave stuff. I'm hoping I don't have to trash the Samsung Smarthub. Depends on where your ISY is, you may need additional repeaters. The aeotech siren is one that many people like to use. How many zwave devices do you have? What are they? Are any close to the ISY? Start with the one closest to the ISY, do an exclude device and then an Include device.
stusviews Posted December 19, 2017 Posted December 19, 2017 Location, location, location. My first Z-Wave lock did not lock and unlock reliably, so I tried the Aeon siren (after finding the DSD37 Range extender utterly useless). The siren worked best when it was further from the ISY than was the lock. I've since added both the Aeon Doorbell and Gen 6 Range extender and found each and all to be equally effective. The simple test was to install only one repeater in the same best location as the original siren, no other repeaters used, and compare reliability with the same errant lock, 100% reliability over several days for each.
Michel Kohanim Posted December 19, 2017 Posted December 19, 2017 DrLumen, Yes, that's correct. All you need is to change the firmware. With kind regards, Michel
DrLumen Posted December 19, 2017 Posted December 19, 2017 Depends on where your ISY is, you may need additional repeaters. The aeotech siren is one that many people like to use. How many zwave devices do you have? What are they? Are any close to the ISY? Start with the one closest to the ISY, do an exclude device and then an Include device. I'm trying the different master/slave combinations to get the ISY to see the Smarthub and vice versa. The closest are a pair of switches is 8 feet from the ISY. The last resort is to start an exclude/include cycle of the devices transitioning to the ISY. Currently, I have 26 ZWave devices with a mix of Leviton, GE and Fibaro controllers. Plus the samsung sensors which I was just reminded are actually zigbee. I might still have an X10 switch or two still installed but I'm trashing (pronounced ebaying) all the X10 shtuff. Does anybody know if the ISY can do both ZWave and Zigbee in the same box? They seem to be distinct upgrades (ie one or the other).
stusviews Posted December 20, 2017 Posted December 20, 2017 Does anybody know if the ISY can do both ZWave and Zigbee in the same box? They seem to be distinct upgrades (ie one or the other). You cannot do both concurrently, you must choose one or the other.
DrLumen Posted December 20, 2017 Posted December 20, 2017 You cannot do both concurrently, you must choose one or the other. Dang, I was afraid of that. Oh well, so much for the Samsung shtuff unless I can somehow get the ISY and ST to communicate. I was really hoping to tie into the solar inverter using zigbee at some point. That will have to stand alone or make me use some other interface. All this kludge is really starting to bother me. I guess my expectations are just too lofty or unique. Thanks all for the info!
Michel Kohanim Posted December 20, 2017 Posted December 20, 2017 DrLumen, Do you also use INSTEON? With kind regards, Michel
DrLumen Posted December 20, 2017 Posted December 20, 2017 DrLumen, Do you also use INSTEON? With kind regards, Michel No
Michel Kohanim Posted December 20, 2017 Posted December 20, 2017 DrLumen, Thanks. In that case, you can also use Zigbee (in lieu of INSTEON). This said, what exactly would you like to do with Zigbee? ISY does not support Zigbee HA. With kind regards, Michel
DrLumen Posted December 20, 2017 Posted December 20, 2017 Michel, The SolarEdge (SE7600A-US) inverter has a zigbee comm module option. I was hoping (perhaps incorrectly) that the ISY would be able to see it and I could use the data from it. I'm wasn't really set on that as there are other interfaces that can be used for the SolarEdge. I was just hoping since both have zigbee capabilities that it might have been the easiest route - particularly since UD now is getting into the OpenADR stuff. How would I use Zigbee as well? Would it see the Samsung zigbee sensors?
lilyoyo1 Posted December 21, 2017 Posted December 21, 2017 Michel, The SolarEdge (SE7600A-US) inverter has a zigbee comm module option. I was hoping (perhaps incorrectly) that the ISY would be able to see it and I could use the data from it. I'm wasn't really set on that as there are other interfaces that can be used for the SolarEdge. I was just hoping since both have zigbee capabilities that it might have been the easiest route - particularly since UD now is getting into the OpenADR stuff. How would I use Zigbee as well? Would it see the Samsung zigbee sensors? Samsung uses a different form of zigbee than what the ISY uses. The ISY wouldn't be able to support it. Since your devices were already added to smartthings, you may need to exclude them first to get the ISY to see them
Michel Kohanim Posted December 21, 2017 Posted December 21, 2017 Hello DrLumen, Coincidence (or not?), we just spoke to a SolarEdge rep last week. I don't think we can use their Zigbee but - apparently (I have yet to see) - they also offer Modbus over TCP which we can probably integrate with using Polyglot. I would like to say: stay tuned. But, we are pretty much at the mercy of SolarEdge at this point. With kind regards, Michel
DrLumen Posted December 21, 2017 Posted December 21, 2017 Hello DrLumen, Coincidence (or not?), we just spoke to a SolarEdge rep last week. I don't think we can use their Zigbee but - apparently (I have yet to see) - they also offer Modbus over TCP which we can probably integrate with using Polyglot. I would like to say: stay tuned. But, we are pretty much at the mercy of SolarEdge at this point. With kind regards, Michel Good to hear. Yes, I too was looking at a modbus interface feeding a home server. From what I have seen, SE is really tight with their data format. There is a Github source that shows their comm formats and an open source (reverse engineered) library to communicate with SE inverters. I'm hoping you all can partner with them. I'll keep my fingers crossed and hope that can happen soon.
Michel Kohanim Posted December 22, 2017 Posted December 22, 2017 DrLumen, I sure hope so too as it's very important for any automation and energy management system to "know" the flow of electricity so that you can make the right decisions. I shall keep everyone posted with our progress. With kind regards, Michel
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