creeble Posted November 23, 2020 Posted November 23, 2020 I upgraded my ISY-994i to 5.3.0 successfully (although "UI" still says 4.6.2 -- how does that get upgraded?), but now none of my programs run. Under Programs -> Summary, all the programs say "Not loaded" under Activity, and "Out of memory" under Status. I only have about a dozen programs, all very simple. Everything worked before I upgraded. I have rebooted the ISY-994i several times. I then did a "Backup ISY", which it happily did, saving a file that said 5.3.0 on it. Then I rebooted the ISY, and tried a Restore, and it comes back with "Upgrade Failed: Invalid system configuration file". And now it shows no programming at all. I'm rather stuck. I can post whatever might be useful, the Admin Console still appears to run. But it won't restore from the backup it just made and is otherwise completely devoid of any settings, devices, or programs.
oberkc Posted November 23, 2020 Posted November 23, 2020 I have never had a mismatch of ISY versus UI. Every time I have upgraded, the UI followed with the rest of the system. I do not believe that there is a separate upgrade process for the UI versus the rest of the operating system. Given this, I can offer a couple of thoughts: - You could try the update again (not sure about the risk) - make sure you are using the correct launcher. Instructions say to use: http://your.isy.ip.address/admin.jnlp - clear your Java cache
lilyoyo1 Posted November 23, 2020 Posted November 23, 2020 30 minutes ago, creeble said: I upgraded my ISY-994i to 5.3.0 successfully (although "UI" still says 4.6.2 -- how does that get upgraded?), but now none of my programs run. Under Programs -> Summary, all the programs say "Not loaded" under Activity, and "Out of memory" under Status. I only have about a dozen programs, all very simple. Everything worked before I upgraded. I have rebooted the ISY-994i several times. I then did a "Backup ISY", which it happily did, saving a file that said 5.3.0 on it. Then I rebooted the ISY, and tried a Restore, and it comes back with "Upgrade Failed: Invalid system configuration file". And now it shows no programming at all. I'm rather stuck. I can post whatever might be useful, the Admin Console still appears to run. But it won't restore from the backup it just made and is otherwise completely devoid of any settings, devices, or programs. Did you clear your Java cache? Also make sure you're using the new launcher as well
creeble Posted November 23, 2020 Author Posted November 23, 2020 Upgraded again, this is what it shows: And it does the same thing when I try to Restore the file it saved before it all disappeared. FWIW, I can't seem to run the Admin Console from a browser; it keeps saying something about "Java 2+ Required" and doesn't go any further. I can launch the Admin Console from "javaws admin.jnlp" fine.
creeble Posted November 23, 2020 Author Posted November 23, 2020 How does one clear one's Java cache? Seems like only command-line works for me.
creeble Posted November 23, 2020 Author Posted November 23, 2020 Okay, I went to the Java Control Panel in Windows and deleted all "Internet Temporary Files" with Settings... Delete Files, selected all. Ran it again, and I get exactly the same results -- different UI and ISY versions, rejects Restoring the recently-made backup.
creeble Posted November 23, 2020 Author Posted November 23, 2020 Here's how I run the thing: Hit http://my_ISY_IP/admin.jnlp Save the file, as my browser doesn't seem to know what to do with it. Run "javaws admin.jnlp". The Admin Console comes up, after 5-10 popups about "not communicating with...xxx" and other noise. I see all my scenes and devices (now), but programs are all gone. My UI is now reporting 5.3.0. I was able to once again restore the 5.3.0 backup I made, and run the Admin Console again after clearing the Java cache (apparently). I see several .PGM file names go by during the restoration, but no programs appear still.
creeble Posted November 23, 2020 Author Posted November 23, 2020 Well, after the third time reloading the backup, I see my old programs! But they all still look like this: and the files that I say "Not Saved" have code like: with commented-out sections that used to be the actual actions. And they're un-savable. What is going on here I wonder!?
oberkc Posted November 23, 2020 Posted November 23, 2020 1 hour ago, creeble said: with commented-out sections that used to be the actual actions. And they're un-savable. What is going on here I wonder!? I recall, during my initial conversion from 4.x to 5.x software (I don't remember exactly which was my first version of 5.x software) many of my programs had errors such as these. Even now, I see the note in the instructions: Upgrading to this version may require a lot of manual intervention including verifying scenes, programs and program settings are correct. In some cases it will be easier to rebuild your network. For programs that now contained errors where there were once program statements, I recall them having yellow icons in the listing. For each of these, it may be necessary to manually correct these errors before going any further. Try correcting one of the faulty programs and see if this solves the problems with that particular program.
creeble Posted November 23, 2020 Author Posted November 23, 2020 Wow. So much for upward compatibility. Guess I have a job ahead of me. Are there, like, benefits to this upgrade I wonder?
oberkc Posted November 23, 2020 Posted November 23, 2020 5 hours ago, creeble said: Are there, like, benefits to this upgrade I wonder? There were, if I recall, things added to the 5 level that could not easily be done at level 4. Whether they are benefits to you, I cannot say. I also do not remember them all but one that I do recall was the introduction of a robust set of system variables. For me, the ability to add program conditions based upon year, month, and day was quite useful. I understand, too, that there may be a small number of devices supported in 5.x that are not supported in 4.x. I believe there were some z-wave improvements as well. Only you can know whether this is beneficial to you. It does seem that there is a large number who are staying on 4.x. Some seemed to fear (until recently) the fact that it was classified as "beta". Other probably wanted to avoid the work entailed. Sill others saw no benefit. It all depends on your wants and needs, I guess.
Bumbershoot Posted November 23, 2020 Posted November 23, 2020 12 hours ago, creeble said: What is going on here I wonder!? From your screenshot, it appears to be related to the 'adjust scene' functionality that underwent a big rework with the upgrade to the 5.x.x firmware series. From the release notes: If you are upgrading from version 5.0.8 or earlier, you will have to manually update the Adjust Scene entries in all of your programs. Also, if you use the ISY Launcher, you won't have to worry about firmware/UI mismatches any more. 2
creeble Posted November 25, 2020 Author Posted November 25, 2020 Well, after a bunch of machinations, most of my programs are back and I was able to replace my one broken Insteon switch. Which was all I really wanted to do. I still have to fix some programs, unfortunately. And somehow my UI and ISY versions now match as well. But as for this "ISY Launcher" thing, when I try these steps: 1. Clear your Java Cache 2. Go to https://isy.universal-devices.com/start.jnlp 3. Click on the desired ISY row and, from the menu, choose the Admin Console or the Dashboard The 2nd step offers to download a file. It's been a long time since I've been able to launch a Java app from the browser, and I have no idea why.
Bumbershoot Posted November 25, 2020 Posted November 25, 2020 The 2nd step should download a file, called 'start.jnlp'. Save it somewhere you can find it and execute it when you want to use the AC. The reason that you can't start Java apps from browsers is because modern browsers have broken that capability for security reasons. 1
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