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Is there a specific procedure to remove a PLM from my ISY and restore it on my IoP Polisy?

 

Or can i just delete all of my Insteon devices and power off my ISY, unplug the PLM from the isy, plug it into the Polisy and follow the instructions for enabling Insteon on the Polisy:  

INSTEON Support

  1. Connect the PLM to your Polisy

Polisy supports the following PLMs: 2412S and 2413S through the DB9 connector on the back. 2413U and 2448A7 through the USB port on the back. If you have a 2413S (serial), you will need a cable that looks like this

  1. Go to the Admin Console | Configuration tab
  2. Check INSTEON Support Checkbox
  3. Click the Save button
  4. Click on the Reboot button.

 

My Insteon setup is small enough that i can easily recreate what i have and i am going to be making some changes anyway.

Thanks in advance,

oskrypuch Advanced

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If you want to start from scratch, then simpler to just factory reset the PLM, and then plug it into the Polisy, rather than making deletions.

But it is probably even easier to back up your ISY, make no changes or deletions nor a factory reset, move the PLM over to the Polisy and restore your setup.

From there you can make any necessary changes.

Be sure to carefully follow sequencing as outlined in the wiki here.

* Orest

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MrBill Advanced

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12 hours ago, roberthleeii said:

Is there a specific procedure to remove a PLM from my ISY and restore it on my IoP Polisy?

Are you restoring and ISY backup on Polisy?  Check out the first post of this thread:

 

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Techman Advanced

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@roberthleeii

When you move your serial PLM over to the Polisy from the ISY you'll also need the serial cable that shipped with the PLM. The PLM MUST connect to the DB9 connector on the Polisy. If you don't have the cable there are cables available online.

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oskrypuch Advanced

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2 hours ago, MrBill said:

Are you restoring and ISY backup on Polisy?  Check out the first post of this thread:

 

That is a REALLY outstanding post. That and the wiki, and really a lot of the posts in these sections, made my ISY -> IoP migration smooth, and helped me get up to speed on adopting Z-Wave.

* Orest

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roberthleeii Advanced

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2 hours ago, MrBill said:

Are you restoring and ISY backup on Polisy?  Check out the first post of this thread:

 

 

No I am just starting fresh with my Polisy. I only have Insteon in my kitchen and hallway.  I am going to rewrite how they control stuff anyway so I actually want a clean slate for the devices and PLM. I almost decided to put in z-wave devices but don't want the cost after the new Polisy. 

 

32 minutes ago, Techman said:

@roberthleeii

When you move your serial PLM over to the Polisy from the ISY you'll also need the serial cable that shipped with the PLM. The PLM MUST connect to the DB9 connector on the Polisy. If you don't have the cable there are cables available online.

I have it cable it came with, it is the one I am using to connect the PLM to my ISY

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Just now, roberthleeii said:

No I am just starting fresh with my Polisy. I only have Insteon in my kitchen and hallway.  I am going to rewrite how they control stuff anyway so I actually want a clean slate for the devices and PLM. I almost decided to put in z-wave devices but don't want the cost after the new Polisy. 

Just factory reset it per the instruntions in the 2413s manual... typical unplug, hold set button, plug in, wait for long beep to stop.  

2 minutes ago, roberthleeii said:

I have it cable it came with, it is the one I am using to connect the PLM to my ISY

You need the original cable that came with the PLM, not the cable that came with the ISY.  One end has a DB9 serial connect, the other an 8Pin Ethernet style plug...  The connection from 2413s to ISY is NOT eithernet... even tho Port A on a 994 might make you believe that.

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3 minutes ago, MrBill said:

Just factory reset it per the instruntions in the 2413s manual... typical unplug, hold set button, plug in, wait for long beep to stop.  

You need the original cable that came with the PLM, not the cable that came with the ISY.  One end has a DB9 serial connect, the other an 8Pin Ethernet style plug...  The connection from 2413s to ISY is NOT eithernet... even tho Port A on a 994 might make you believe that.

oh crap! I kept see this and thinking that it was the same cable... I should still have that cable in my drawer but if i don't can i order one off of amazon? 

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2 hours ago, roberthleeii said:

oh crap! I kept see this and thinking that it was the same cable... I should still have that cable in my drawer but if i don't can i order one off of amazon? 

This one https://smartenit.com/shop/plm-serial-cable/

there's also a method to buy an RJ45 to BD9 adapter off amazon and use it with the cable you do have.  Costs less but requires configuring via pinouts in another thread.

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6 hours ago, oskrypuch said:

Yes, there are cables you can buy. If you can't find one, I saw a link for one fly by here somewhere.

* Orest

 

3 hours ago, MrBill said:

This one https://smartenit.com/shop/plm-serial-cable/

there's also a method to buy an RJ45 to BD9 adapter off amazon and use it with the cable you do have.  Costs less but requires configuring via pinouts in another thread.

Is it a black cable?

I was searching and found a black cable as described, for some reason I was expecting blue like the one on there now. It also seems a little narrower than an ethernet cord... I passed over it 3 times in my drawer because it was not what i was expecting ??????  I guess I made some faulty assumptions. 

Brian H Advanced

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It only has three wires in it. RS232 Receive, RS232 Send and a signal common wire.

The remaining connections on the PLM serial connector. Are TTL send, TTL receive and if the older 2412S unregulated +12 volts. Should not normally be connected to anything.

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1 hour ago, bcdavis75 said:

Or do I need to buy their cable

Another option would be that you could buy this adaptor and make the cable yourself if your so inclined… 

https://www.amazon.com/StarTech-com-Serial-adapter-DB-9-RJ-45/dp/B00006IRQA

I know this product has been linked in other posts and is what @MrBill references in a post above with the link to another cable option. In the other posts there was discussion about how to wire it correctly. You would need to search the forums to find those posts. 
 


 

 

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16 hours ago, bcdavis75 said:

Hi all.  I just ordered this replacement cable on amazon before reading this thread:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B08V539JMQ/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Is this essentially the same cable that Smartenit sells?  Or do I need to buy their cable to avoid frying my PLM?

 

Not correct.

The Smartenit, the one in the PLM box or the home made cable. Only carry three connections.  I got the feeling many PLM users didn't find the included cable in the boxes cardboard cradle holding the PLM. All of mine had a cable in the box's cardboard cradle. That Smarthome didn't mark on the cradle or add in the Quick Start Sheet.

The one in your link carries all the 8 connections and does not connect the correct needed signal pins. May also connect the two not used  but available for other uses TTL connections. In the 2413S to something that TTL signals  should not be connected too.

If you go with the Star Tech. Only use the three connections in the how to threads and make sure none of the other wires are connected and they are insulated so they touch nothing else.

Due to the PLM situation. It is possible some users are putting their 2412S PLM back  in use. There where two major versions. The older had a 417 link database and you could fill it quite easily. The later had a ~ 2000 link database and on a ISY99i anymore than ~800 links would sometimes start missing link records. I suspect it may have been the speed of the EEPROM and the way the database has to be addressed.  Also the 2412S has a unregulated +12VDC  (around 19.5VDC) 400mA output. Could run an ISY99i and ISY994i through the serial cable.

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