Original Motion Sensor - trur off dusk to dawn

[JSchumann]

In the Right screen for my motion sensor, Dusk to Dawn page, Status says ON.  I cannot get it to turn off.  This sensor is used in a room.  

 

Jumper Pin 3 is open, so it is NOT in night only mode

Jumper pin 5 is closed, so I have Remote software enabled.

In options I have sensing mode unchecked, on command only unchecked and night only mode unchecked

I have written changes to device.

Status for dusk to dawn always stays on.

Any ideas on how to turn it off?

Thanks,

John

[lilyoyo1]

It would help if you said what you were using along with firmware and UI since that can play a part in things

[JSchumann]

Motion Sensor 2842-222

ISY 994i 5.3.0

[lilyoyo1]

43 minutes ago, JSchumann said:

Motion Sensor 2842-222

ISY 994i 5.3.0

Does your UI match? I'd upgrade to the latest 5.3.4 to ensure any bug fixes are in place

[larryllix]

You cannot modify settings/options in battery operated devices unless they are put into linking mode first.

If you enable the remote settings DIP switch, the rest cease functioning.

IIRC you can only set options in the main page for an Insteon MS. The ancilliary pages will not allow setting options.

[JSchumann]

1 hour ago, lilyoyo1 said:

Does your UI match? I'd upgrade to the latest 5.3.4 to ensure any bug fixes are in place

Yes, UI Matches

[JSchumann]

1 hour ago, larryllix said:

You cannot modify settings/options in battery operated devices unless they are put into linking mode first.

If you enable the remote settings DIP switch, the rest cease functioning.

IIRC you can only set options in the main page for an Insteon MS. The ancilliary pages will not allow setting options.

Ok, so I moved the DIP setting to off.  The dusk to Dawn notification is blank now (doesn't say Off).  So it should work as a room sensor now.

Thanks,

John

[Techman]

Are you wanting to use it as a motion sensor or a sensor to detect light in the room?

 

[JSchumann]

10 minutes ago, Techman said:

Are you wanting to use it as a motion sensor or a sensor to detect light in the room?

 

Motion

[Techman]

In that case ignore the dusk/dawn settings and only use the motion node.

dusk / dawn is used when the sensor is outside to turn on a light at dusk and turn it off at dawn

[JSchumann]

Correct, I have it off I think. The box is blank......previously had ON.

[Techman]

the dusk / dawn node is totally separate from the motion node.

If you're using a program to do something when there's motion in the room, then use the motion status and ignore the rest.

[JSchumann]

Got it. Thanks

[larryllix]

On 5/13/2022 at 1:15 PM, JSchumann said:

Got it. Thanks

If you really need to have the box fill in, you can

- wait until dark
- put the unit in a dark closet and wait 5 minutes
- open the back and click the link button 5 times in rapid sequence. IIRC some may take 7 clicks in rapid succession.

Edited May 15, 2022 by larryllix

[JSchumann]

8 minutes ago, larryllix said:

If you really need to have the box fill in, you can

- wait until dark
- put the unit in a dark closet and wait 5 minutes
- open the back and click the link button 5 times in rapid sequence. IIRC some may take 7 clicks in rapid succession.

Oh cool, will try it.  Where are the button sequences documented?

[larryllix]

23 minutes ago, JSchumann said:

Oh cool, will try it.  Where are the button sequences documented?

hmmmm...some of the tiny pamphlet docs mention that sequence, but not all. If 5 clicks doesn't make it update within a few seconds, try seven about as fast as you can click. I usually do  to test the dark while holding it under my short and/or hand. It is good to setup the sensitivity setting also.

[Geddy]

18 hours ago, JSchumann said:

Where are the button sequences documented?

I see mention of 7 presses in the manual found here - https://cache.insteon.com/documentation/2842-222-en.pdf

 

Quote

Adjust Modes

Adjust Dials

Left Dial – Adjust Automatic “Off” Countdown

Using a small Phillips screwdriver, adjust to the desired time duration in which you want Motion Sensor to send an OFF command after the last motion sensed. Turning the dial all the way counter-clockwise sets the countdown to 30 seconds; turning the dial all the way clockwise sets it to 2 hours. Anywhere in between results in a proportional difference between 30 seconds and 2 hours.

Right Dial – Day/Night Threshold

Using a small Phillips screwdriver, adjust the day/night threshold to desired light level. Turning the dial clockwise increases the light level of the threshold; turning the dial counter-clockwise decreases the light level of the threshold. For example, when you turn the dial all the way clockwise, Motion Sensor will read “night” no matter how bright it is. Likewise, turning the dial all the way counter-clockwise will make Motion Sensor read “day” no matter how dark it is. Turning the dial anywhere in between will choose the specific light level which Motion Sensor uses to determine “night” vs. “day.” To test, set Motion Sensor to night-only mode (see above) and tap the set button 7 times. If it reads the current light level as “night,” it will turn on its linked responders on first sensed motion. If it reads “day,” the LED will flash on first motion, but it will not turn on its linked responders.

 

[JSchumann]

12 minutes ago, Geddy said:

I see mention of 7 presses in the manual found here - https://cache.insteon.com/documentation/2842-222-en.pdf

 

 

Thanks, That is a different start guide than I have......

[larryllix]

6 hours ago, JSchumann said:

Thanks, That is a different start guide than I have......

That and the four tap phase identification method on AC based devices are two hidden goodies that SmartHome fell down on.

Were they trying to hide it from their users or just insecure that China would continue to add those features in the firmware  so they didn't document them? Who knows? Doh!