Techman Posted October 27, 2022 Share Posted October 27, 2022 Ken has scheduled another Insteon Zoom call for 11/4. Registration link is below. Space is limited. Webinar Registration - Zoom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
upstatemike Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 I would sign up but I can't think of anything new to ask them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Techman Posted October 28, 2022 Author Share Posted October 28, 2022 Ask him for an update on product availability, PLMs, etc. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryarber Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 It’s good that they seem willing to listen to their user base. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
upstatemike Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 13 hours ago, Techman said: Ask him for an update on product availability, PLMs, etc. They already said we won't see new PLMs this year. I doubt if they have anything more specific to say on that yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michel Kohanim Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 For the sake of transparency, last week Ken asked me whether or not we would like to add support for their Topaz line (x Nokia). I asked two questions in return: a) do you have API docs and b) status of PLM. Based on the answers I got, we would not be supporting these devices till we have both or commission from the sales to our customers. In essence, I don't want to go bankrupt with reverse engineering, tech support, and without the ability to recoup our investment. Perhaps there are other arrangements such as selling the firmware. But, since we are not equipped with firmware upgrade sales, it's going to take be a major effort to move to that business model. Hopefully they get the PLMs soon and thus all the above will be moot. With kind regards, Michel 7 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d529518 Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 I'd love to ask him about the possibility of open sourcing the insteon environment. However I am working the polls for early voting in North Carolina so cannot attend the seminar. In my opinion the only viable long-term strategy for insteon to is to open source the whole thing. I'm sure there are other opinions about this, but I feel with Zwave out there, having been adopted by Leviton, and so many others, that remaining proprietary is just not viable for insteon. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBill Posted October 29, 2022 Share Posted October 29, 2022 15 hours ago, d529518 said: I'd love to ask him about the possibility of open sourcing the insteon environment. However I am working the polls for early voting in North Carolina so cannot attend the seminar. In my opinion the only viable long-term strategy for insteon to is to open source the whole thing. I'm sure there are other opinions about this, but I feel with Zwave out there, having been adopted by Leviton, and so many others, that remaining proprietary is just not viable for insteon. In the format they offer (questions selected and presented by the moderator then answered... it's NOT an open mic format) this type of question will never be selected. Why? it's not a simple answer. You can try anyway if you wish, submit your questions via the feedback link on insteon.com and then watch the replay of the call. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Posted November 3, 2022 Share Posted November 3, 2022 On 10/28/2022 at 11:00 AM, Michel Kohanim said: For the sake of transparency, last week Ken asked me whether or not we would like to add support for their Topaz line (x Nokia). I asked two questions in return: a) do you have API docs and b) status of PLM. Based on the answers I got, we would not be supporting these devices till we have both or commission from the sales to our customers. In essence, I don't want to go bankrupt with reverse engineering, tech support, and without the ability to recoup our investment. Perhaps there are other arrangements such as selling the firmware. But, since we are not equipped with firmware upgrade sales, it's going to take be a major effort to move to that business model. Hopefully they get the PLMs soon and thus all the above will be moot. With kind regards, Michel Hi Michel, Can you please clarify for me? Does it sound like Ken is amiable to providing you required info for ISY to support the ex-Nokia dimmers and switches and you will consider doing so once PLMs are back in stock? Otherwise I'm not sure why Ken would ask you if they weren't going to provide some basic level of assistance? FWIW I would love to see such support. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michel Kohanim Posted November 3, 2022 Share Posted November 3, 2022 @Rob, Of course, we would love to support them. Hopefully he can find the API docs + PLM. With kind regards, Michel 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatPend Posted November 3, 2022 Share Posted November 3, 2022 On 10/28/2022 at 5:21 PM, d529518 said: I'd love to ask him about the possibility of open sourcing the insteon environment. However I am working the polls for early voting in North Carolina so cannot attend the seminar. I signed up for the seminar and that was the exact question I submitted, i.e. licensing or open-sourcing the Insteon protocol. So we'll see. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
upstatemike Posted November 3, 2022 Share Posted November 3, 2022 Somebody should ask about an enhanced PLM, either from them or made by someone else under license. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBill Posted November 4, 2022 Share Posted November 4, 2022 @larryllix you'll be happy to know Insteon said on today's call that they are now reaching levels of stock that they can begin supplying distributors. Aartech nor Canada was specifically mentioned however apparently it's just that they haven't had enough stock to go around. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBill Posted November 4, 2022 Share Posted November 4, 2022 Here's a product availability slide they showed during the presentation: 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdynak Posted November 4, 2022 Share Posted November 4, 2022 Thanks Mr. Bill. Hmm.. no outdoor module. Was waiting on that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBill Posted November 4, 2022 Share Posted November 4, 2022 2 hours ago, sdynak said: Thanks Mr. Bill. Hmm.. no outdoor module. Was waiting on that one. Be sure to send them feedback, support@insteon.com that you are very interested in seeing that module and ask if may be coming and missed the list. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBill Posted November 4, 2022 Share Posted November 4, 2022 (edited) The instant replay of today’s event: Missed today's Lunch with Insteon webinar. Watch here: https://us02web.zoom.us/rec/share/AfMafbBBM3n86l5GBTugcE1PPGHCr6_6jLoJ8KEYw1UU0yBp6s1laRIOfSnU3wkD.X0TM4EDyoRh4jRRx?startTime=1667577595000 Passcode: mihfM=19 Edited November 4, 2022 by MrBill 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Techman Posted November 4, 2022 Author Share Posted November 4, 2022 For those that didn't listen to the webinar: They mentioned that Insteon will eventually support Matter. You can go onto their store product page and have them email you when an out-of-stock product is available. PLMs, serial and USB will be in stock about March, 2023 and last but not least, they said that they will be coming out with new products next year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian H Posted November 4, 2022 Share Posted November 4, 2022 I did see the 2413S and 2413U in the lists. Kind of sad the newer improved 2243-222 USB and 2242-223 Serial PLM where not on the list. Unless it is one of the ones for future release. With no dates known yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
upstatemike Posted November 5, 2022 Share Posted November 5, 2022 50 minutes ago, Techman said: For those that didn't listen to the webinar: They mentioned that Insteon will eventually support Matter. Are they going to do that by making the Insteon Hub an Edge Router? If so it won't bring Matter to Insteon systems managed via PLMs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Techman Posted November 5, 2022 Author Share Posted November 5, 2022 They didn't mention how they plan to implement it, just that it was forth coming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NFLnut Posted November 9, 2022 Share Posted November 9, 2022 Sure wish they restock the Insteon Mini Remote 8-Scene Keypads 2343-222 and the Micro Dimmer Switch Modules 2442-222. I've been waiting for them for a couple of years now. Another PLM would be nice too provided we'll still need them for the eisy(?). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Techman Posted November 9, 2022 Author Share Posted November 9, 2022 6 hours ago, NFLnut said: Sure wish they restock the Insteon Mini Remote 8-Scene Keypads 2343-222 and the Micro Dimmer Switch Modules 2442-222. I've been waiting for them for a couple of years now. Another PLM would be nice too provided we'll still need them for the eisy(?). Send them an email request. PLMs will be in stock about March, 2023 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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