kzboray Posted March 7, 2023 Posted March 7, 2023 (edited) I have a front door with a 6023 2-way sensor set as zone type 01 Burglar Entry/Exit 1 and directly above that same door, inside is a wired motion. No matter what zone type I use, 04 Burglar Interior or 05 Burglar Interior Follow the motion detector sets off the alarm when that entry is used and the alarm is set to Stay. There is also a side door with a wired sensor that is in view of the motion sensor and using that door will not set off the alarm, only the front door with the 6023. I am wondering if it's something weird in timing with the wireless 6023 and the wired motion being so close together. I suspect the wired motion actually gets violated with the door swinging open before the wireless signal from the 6023 is acted upon (just a guess), but it shouldn't make a difference. Per the manual zone types 04/05 clearly state they ignore motion detectors when set to Stay. From page 30: 04 Burglar Interior - For motion detectors, interior doors, etc. Creates an instant alarm if tripped during the AWAY arm mode. This zone type IS NOT ACTIVE during the STAY, STAY INSTANT, NITE, and NITE INSTANT arm modes. 05 Burglar Interior Follower - For motions detectors, interior doors, etc. which may be in the keypad or entry pathway. If an entry delay zone is violated first, this zone will delay (Follow) also, otherwise it will create an instant alarm. This zone type IS NOT ACTIVE during the STAY, STAY INSTANT, NITE, and NITE INSTANT arm modes. What am I missing? Edited March 7, 2023 by kzboray
DennisC Posted March 7, 2023 Posted March 7, 2023 (edited) 25 minutes ago, kzboray said: I have a front door with a 6023 2-way sensor set as zone type 01 Burglar Entry/Exit 1 and directly above that same door, inside is a wired motion. No matter what zone type I use, 04 Burglar Interior or 05 Burglar Interior Follow the motion detector sets off the alarm when that entry is used and the alarm is set to Stay. There is also a side door with a wired sensor that is in view of the motion sensor and using that door will not set off the alarm, only the front door with the 6023. I am wondering if it's something weird in timing with the wireless 6023 and the wired motion being so close together. I suspect the wired motion actually gets violated with the door swinging open before the wireless signal from the 6023 is acted upon (just a guess), but it shouldn't make a difference. Per the manual zone types 04/05 clearly state they ignore motion detectors when set to Stay. From page 30: 04 Burglar Interior - For motion detectors, interior doors, etc. Creates an instant alarm if tripped during the AWAY arm mode. This zone type IS NOT ACTIVE during the STAY, STAY INSTANT, NITE, and NITE INSTANT arm modes. 05 Burglar Interior Follower - For motions detectors, interior doors, etc. which may be in the keypad or entry pathway. If an entry delay zone is violated first, this zone will delay (Follow) also, otherwise it will create an instant alarm. This zone type IS NOT ACTIVE during the STAY, STAY INSTANT, NITE, and NITE INSTANT arm modes. What am I missing? I use 04 = Burglar Interior of my inside motions and they do not trigger when armed to stay. To help troubleshoot this, do you have any of the following notifications set up: Armed Status: ${sys.node.nxxx_area_1.GV0} Arm Up State: ${sys.node.nxxx_area_1.GV1} L/Violated Zone: ${sys.node.nxxx_area_1.GV8} L/Triggered Zone: ${sys.node.nxxx_area_1.GV9} Zones Violated: ${sys.node.nxxx_area_1.GV3} Zones Bypassed: ${sys.node.nxxx_area_1.GV4} I would suggest setting up these notifications to determine exactly what is triggering the alarm. Then do some testing so you can confirm if the alarm is triggered by the motion detector or the 6023 device. If it is the motion sensor, try testing with the motion detector bypassed, and see if the alarm triggers. One last thought, after setting up the device type 04, are you sure you saved the file and wrote it back to the Elk M1? If you are in ElkRP2, come out of it and then go back in and connect to the Elk M1. Did you get any conflicts between the programming in M1 and the saved file? Then confirm the setting in the Elk M1. Edit: Also make sure front door type was saved with exit/entry delay. Edited March 7, 2023 by DennisC Added info 1
kzboray Posted March 7, 2023 Author Posted March 7, 2023 @DennisC Really appreciate the thoughtful reply. This Elk M1 is connected to the HA system via an older ISY994i using the old Elk integration so much of the testing you suggested isn't available, but the simplest test was to disable the motion zone which I have done, and entry via the front door with the alarm in Stay mode works as expected. It's something weird about the 6023 on the front door and the motion I can't put my finger on. It's funny you should suggest verifying that I double check I had saved the programming in RP2, because I did just that the other day at another clients house. I made some changes then forgot to save them. DOOOH! Fortunately I was able to remote in later and redo what I had done previously. but a good call on your part! Finally I'm saving your list of Elk NS zones for the future! Great list.
DennisC Posted March 7, 2023 Posted March 7, 2023 In case you were not aware, you can still get some useful notifications using the Elk Module on an ISY994, here is the list (https://wiki.universal-devices.com/index.php?title=ISY-994i_Series:EMail_and_Networking_Substitution_Variables) of alarm related substitutions: elk.area.<areaNumber>.name elk.area.1.name Name of the Area elk.area.<areaNumber>.armedState elk.area.1.armedState Area Armed State elk.area.<areaNumber>.armUpState elk.area.1.armUpState Area Arm Up State elk.area.<areaNumber>.alarmState elk.area.1.alarmState Area Alarm Status elk.area.<areaNumber>.bypassState elk.area.1.bypassState Area Bypass State elk.zone.<zoneNumber>.name elk.zone.1.name Name of the zone elk.zone.<zoneNumber>.alarmDef elk.zone.1.alarmDef Zone Alarm definition elk.zone.<zoneNumber>.voltage elk.zone.1.voltage Zone voltage elk.zone.<zoneNumber>.status elk.zone.1.status Zone status elk.zone.<zoneNumber>.pstatus elk.zone.1.pstatus Zone physical status elk.zone.<zoneNumber>.bypassState elk.zone.1.bypassState Zone bypass state elk.zone.<zoneNumber>.temp elk.zone.1.temp Zone temperature elk.output.<outputNumber>.name elk.output.1.name Output name elk.output.<outputNumber>.status elk.output.1.status Output status 1
DennisC Posted March 7, 2023 Posted March 7, 2023 2 hours ago, kzboray said: @DennisC Really appreciate the thoughtful reply. This Elk M1 is connected to the HA system via an older ISY994i using the old Elk integration so much of the testing you suggested isn't available, but the simplest test was to disable the motion zone which I have done, and entry via the front door with the alarm in Stay mode works as expected. It's something weird about the 6023 on the front door and the motion I can't put my finger on. Out of curiosity, does it work if you do the reverse? By that I mean disable the 6023 and see if the motion trips when in stay mode. A few other things to double check: 1. In ElkRP2, one you connect to the panel, there is a status icon in the menu. Check that both devices are listed correctly in the Definition column and the volts are normal. 2. Also in ElkRP2, there is a log icon. From here you can view the 20 most recent events. They come in with a time stamp so you can verify the order received. I am sure you already checked, but were the installation directions followed as far as setting up the wireless device according to the recommended settings (loop # 2, supervision, etc)? Finally, you could try deleting the 6023, making sure the motion sensor operates correctly, and then add back in the 6023. You could even remove the batteries from the 6023 for an extended period in case something got scrambled (is there a factory reset?).
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