SSS Posted May 5, 2023 Posted May 5, 2023 I got the new eisy, Insteon USB PLM done the migration etc…however Roomie Remote cannot discover the eisy. I still have isy994i with serial insteon PLM as a parallel setup and will discard only after 100% migration and everything is working fine.
Geddy Posted May 5, 2023 Posted May 5, 2023 13 hours ago, SSS said: I still have isy994i with serial insteon PLM as a parallel setup and will discard only after 100% migration and everything is working fine. Note that Insteon devices cannot be linked to multiple controllers. If you migrated to eisy your ISY994+Serial PLM should have be taken offline. There is no such thing as "running in parallel" as the links to the devices will migrate to the new PLM. If you try to link them back to the ISY994+Serial PLM then they won't work in the eisy and you'll just have to re-link them to the eisy+USB PLM to have them controlled by the eisy. This is as designed by Insteon. But glad you got whatever you were attempting to "work". It's never a good idea to leave an old system running because that will risk causing more problems. Just following the migration steps released by UDI is the best path to a successful ISY994 to Polisy or ISY994 to eisy migration. Any 3rd party integration should be handled separately and at the end users own "risk".
SSS Posted May 9, 2023 Author Posted May 9, 2023 Agreed never a good idea but it does work only thing is that the status of devices will not reflect in the new setup if the command is sent from the old system…it was just a short term need anyways while the new migration is in progress…all good 100% migrated over to new and RR app works like charm, faster response as well.
SSS Posted May 16, 2023 Author Posted May 16, 2023 All good 100% migrated to eisy, however polyglot node servers won’t work in Roomie Remote, I contacted RR via forum this is what I got…also see link…and attached https://forum.roomieremote.com/t/feature-request-api-enhancements/3824/16
MrBill Posted May 16, 2023 Posted May 16, 2023 26 minutes ago, SSS said: The reply from Roomie Remote doesn't even make sense. There's nothing new, ISY however has had subscriptions and allowed for subscribing to the event stream for a very long time (how long I can't say, but it was here when I arrived in 2015, looking at wiki edit dates it's been around much longer). Sounds like the developers at Roomie Remote expect to be spoon fed. UD doesn't do that, never has. 1
SSS Posted May 16, 2023 Author Posted May 16, 2023 (edited) Understand but what can we as an end user do…just report the issues, can RR and UD both make the business interactions and resolve this? Or maybe no one had tried node server devices in RR yet and this functionality never worked for the beginning or maybe something is wrong in my setup. Anyone in the forum has a similar setup and if Node servers devices are working in RR? Edited May 16, 2023 by SSS
Geddy Posted May 16, 2023 Posted May 16, 2023 4 minutes ago, SSS said: just report the issues Posting on forums is not "reporting issues". If you have an issue you would like to "report" to UDI please submit a support ticket or contact UDI directly through their sales email. https://www.universal-devices.com/contact-us/ Perhaps neither business sees that there is an issue to resolve. 1
MrBill Posted May 16, 2023 Posted May 16, 2023 18 minutes ago, SSS said: Understand but what can we as an end user do…just report the issues, can RR and UD both make the business interactions and resolve this? As we have told you in years past, UD is awesome at answering questions from developers of other products. The problem is they have to be made in the form of an intelligent question after said developer has reviewed the available documentation. It seems like Roomie Remote wants to say they support ISY, but not really invest the time to fully support the platform. Perhaps they are also small (like UD) and spend their time on projects that most users are asking for. UD doesn't have the resources to devote a liaison to assist Roomie Remote developing their product. From the jist of reading the forum, you're the SINGLE USER that uses Roomie Remote and wants the ISY interface of Roomie Remote improved. 1
SSS Posted May 16, 2023 Author Posted May 16, 2023 Will open a ticket, re Single user, maybe unless others respond, l am sure there a quite a few RR users and if they happen to be Insteon Users as well with isy platform there is no other way to link the two.
Javi Posted May 16, 2023 Posted May 16, 2023 Supporting PG3 Node Servers and/or ZMatter Nodes will require them to make changes. I believe their integration is of our firmware version 4.x versions, 5.x added new device types. There is not much we can do if they do not upgrade their integration. Most of the static commands (i.e. Insteon) will continue to work but new commands (i.e. node servers) may not work unless they have the same command definitions accepted by Insteon.. ISY does not require polling if subscriptions are implemented, this is true in both 4.x and 5.x. 1 1
SSS Posted May 16, 2023 Author Posted May 16, 2023 Will inform RR…BTW I have HOOBS bridge, all Native Insteon devices works and shows up…PG3 node server devices won’t even show up, forget working…in RR the Devices show up but won’t work
SSS Posted May 20, 2023 Author Posted May 20, 2023 Update : PG3 Nodes works all fine in UD Mobile and ISY Console, doesn’t work in Roomie Remote, Mobilinc, Hoobs third party apps and doesn’t work on Web browsers! Again l don’t know if they were working before @ isy994 and version 4/5.xx as I never tried before. I started to add PG3 nodes only after I got esiy and USB Insteon Modem, All Insteon devices work as expected in the above 3 third party apps and web browser…guess it’s something that UD has to inform all what has changed. or maybe my setup is not correct… can anyone confirm even if one device connected via PG3 nodes in eisy is working in third party apps or say UD own web browser? I have installed Harmony, Ecobee, Hue and MyQ nodes none of them work.
SSS Posted May 21, 2023 Author Posted May 21, 2023 Interestingly just discovered that in mobilinc app the status gets updated, tried hue light, but I cannot control it from the app.
lilyoyo1 Posted May 21, 2023 Posted May 21, 2023 (edited) 5 hours ago, SSS said: Update : PG3 Nodes works all fine in UD Mobile and ISY Console, doesn’t work in Roomie Remote, Mobilinc, Hoobs third party apps and doesn’t work on Web browsers! Again l don’t know if they were working before @ isy994 and version 4/5.xx as I never tried before. I started to add PG3 nodes only after I got esiy and USB Insteon Modem, All Insteon devices work as expected in the above 3 third party apps and web browser…guess it’s something that UD has to inform all what has changed. or maybe my setup is not correct… can anyone confirm even if one device connected via PG3 nodes in eisy is working in third party apps or say UD own web browser? I have installed Harmony, Ecobee, Hue and MyQ nodes none of them work. See Javi's answer above. If roomie (or anyone else for that matter) isn't interested in updating their system to work with the latest from udi then there's nothing anyone can do. Per your response earlier, roomie knows there's a new version so if they wanted to, they could contact UDI. The fact they're still using 4.xxx firmware only proves they have no interest Edited May 21, 2023 by lilyoyo1 2
bpwwer Posted May 21, 2023 Posted May 21, 2023 Pretty much no third party product that integrates with UDI has ever supported node server nodes. I've written one such product (HomeSeer ISY plug-in) and I don't support node server nodes in that either. While it is possible to do so, it is a lot of work because node server nodes can't really be handled in a common, generic way like Insteon or Z-wave. Each node server creates unique nodes which means unique code on the third party side for each node server. There are over 100 node servers so the effort is high and the payback is currently low. 1
SSS Posted May 21, 2023 Author Posted May 21, 2023 oh ok…wonder why UD has been silent about this, vs saying third party should update, if they new it’s going to be a huge challenge so much so that their own web access cannot be implemented well it’s not worth pursuing…surely there are alternative ways to see all these devices in third party apps, it would have been nice if they all worked from one platform! Overall 5-stars for eisy platform great job UD keep it going 👍
Javi Posted May 21, 2023 Posted May 21, 2023 There is no silence. The API's for integration are publicly available here. I developed an Android app, Go2ISY, which was one of the first to integrate version 5 apis a few years ago....before being hired by UD. Depending on the integration it may be difficult for some to integrate some device types. A Node Server can be almost any Thing, which may be hard to integrate into software supports a small number of Things. What Roomie Remote feature(s) are the most useful? Maybe there is a way UD Mobile can do the same or we can add to our list.. 2
bpwwer Posted May 21, 2023 Posted May 21, 2023 Node servers have been available for years (4, 5, more?). There were discussions with third party developers and as @Javi said, it is possible to support them. Most developers of third party integrations chose not to. My reasoning was something like this: A HomeSeer thermostat plug-in sells for about $29. There are 4 or 5 different node servers for different thermostats. How much would I have to change for an ISY plug-in that supported 5+ different thermostats to make it worth the effort to provide support for them all? Now try to scale that up to support the 100+ different node servers. I'd have to charge over $3000 for my plug-in and nobody's going to pay that. 2
lilyoyo1 Posted May 21, 2023 Posted May 21, 2023 1 hour ago, SSS said: oh ok…wonder why UD has been silent about this, vs saying third party should update, if they new it’s going to be a huge challenge so much so that their own web access cannot be implemented well it’s not worth pursuing…surely there are alternative ways to see all these devices in third party apps, it would have been nice if they all worked from one platform! Overall 5-stars for eisy platform great job UD keep it going 👍 I don't see UDI being silent. They've responded to multiple posts of yours over the years about the lack of RR updates. It's not impossible for a developer to support noderservers. It's whether they choose to or not. Bpwwer stated his reasons as an independent developer and his reasons could very well be Roomies...though the fact that RR is still using 4.xxx for their system tells me they simply don't have any interest in updates period (not did their response say anything about noderservers). Judging by you being the only one on here talking about roomie over the years, I think it's a case where there simply not enough user interest to make it a worthy investment
SSS Posted May 21, 2023 Author Posted May 21, 2023 I agree with all the posts, not many uses cases so that should be the final conclusion, no node devices support. Re UD Mobile, yes it’s a great app and being UDs own it works will all node devices …but there is no comparison of this wilt Roomie Remote and HomeKit apps. Guess one has to live with multiple apps vs one app doing all for you that I was hoping for. Pro and Cons of eisy platform ! The HA world is moving toward one app does it all, matter and other attempts to do that, also no hub is the future, all devices connect directly via Wi-Fi, thread, matter…l can only see eisy not participating in that overall scheme of things. But yes due to the huge other advantages eisy will be a favorite hub.
lilyoyo1 Posted May 22, 2023 Posted May 22, 2023 1 hour ago, SSS said: I agree with all the posts, not many uses cases so that should be the final conclusion, no node devices support. Re UD Mobile, yes it’s a great app and being UDs own it works will all node devices …but there is no comparison of this wilt Roomie Remote and HomeKit apps. Guess one has to live with multiple apps vs one app doing all for you that I was hoping for. Pro and Cons of eisy platform ! The HA world is moving toward one app does it all, matter and other attempts to do that, also no hub is the future, all devices connect directly via Wi-Fi, thread, matter…l can only see eisy not participating in that overall scheme of things. But yes due to the huge other advantages eisy will be a favorite hub. I think it comes down to a person's preference. Homekit still hasn't made a dent in this space regardless of how much apple fans want to make it seem special. UDI has an all in one app for us system just like everyone else. Roomie may be great but most aren't interested in the time and effort out takes to design and maintain it. It's great for a very small segment just like udi is. The true all in one systems are Google and Alexa right now. Those who are happy with that are not UDI customers nor are they roomies... The future will be the present. What you see now is what you'll get later. The tech will change but you'll see niche products such as UDI and roomie products in addition to products designed for the masses. Let's not forget dealer options for those with the financial means
bpwwer Posted May 22, 2023 Posted May 22, 2023 1 hour ago, SSS said: I agree with all the posts, not many uses cases so that should be the final conclusion, no node devices support. Re UD Mobile, yes it’s a great app and being UDs own it works will all node devices …but there is no comparison of this wilt Roomie Remote and HomeKit apps. What would it take to make UD Mobile compare with Roomie Remote? I.e. can you enumerate specific features/capabilities that UD Mobile doesn't have that Roomie Remote does? Here on this forum, you have the ability to influence UD Mobile development but this forum is not the right place to get Roomie Remote to better support eisy/Polisy. 2
SSS Posted May 22, 2023 Author Posted May 22, 2023 There is no easy compare…it’s on a scale of 1:10 different…just see roomie remote homepage, https://roomieremote.com/
lilyoyo1 Posted May 22, 2023 Posted May 22, 2023 (edited) 8 minutes ago, bpwwer said: What would it take to make UD Mobile compare with Roomie Remote? I.e. can you enumerate specific features/capabilities that UD Mobile doesn't have that Roomie Remote does? Here on this forum, you have the ability to influence UD Mobile development but this forum is not the right place to get Roomie Remote to better support eisy/Polisy. Just a much prettier interface. It's similar to command fusion that you can design your own control interface (just not as good) Edited May 22, 2023 by lilyoyo1
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